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Preventative healthcare would seem to be in danger of shooting itself in the foot.
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I take it fresh foods will be cheaper?
Food doesn't have to be fresh to be good for you.Thanks Peter. I know this
But what I was trying to point out is taxes on low nutrition value foodstuffs would seem to be a pointless exercise if, even when it is slammed with tax, an important part of a healthy diet(fresh food) will still be more expensive than it.
Even before it could be nannystated. -
Fresh foods are always more expensive, because they have such a limited shelf life compared to processed.
See this is a more practical reason as to why the monetary incentive/disincentive wont work when it comes to dietary choices. Quite apart from everything else.
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Could you imagine the 'nanny state' backlash if taxing poor quality foods was raised?
Well even if you tax the crap in it heinously, not going to work.
Unless you change things completely and local produce is sold directly to residents in an area.
That means........ oh nevermind.It was such a foul night I went home.
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What I meant by getting over the nanny state conversation is that we (as an electorate) have already spurned some relatively minor measures to counter obesity.
Spurned minor measures ? Sorry I'm not following you.
Was a trial program ended because of lax participant involvement?
Or have blanket campaigns had no appreciable effect?Could you imagine the 'nanny state' backlash if taxing poor quality foods was raised?
Where would the backlash come?
On the producer/manufacturer, consumer or the whole conga line?
I take it fresh foods will be cheaper? -
Getting primary care to help people manage weight, diet and exercise issues better would be a good start, but as with smoking prevention means a lot more than health care changes.
So does that mean identifying problem people early? How?
Tho' that does kind of suggest something you don't seem to like.But we could start by growing up and getting over the nanny state conversation
Or am I reading it wrong?
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Aw! I don't want just women to talk about this!
I wasn't excluding any others of the male sex from joining in, just me.
Bart. That seems like a topical issue. I don't know the pay structures within the health system.
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I don't think that was the suggestion.
I was exaggerating for effect...sorry.
But yes It is a problem and one that I don't think is considered carefully enough.
It's great if this book is a starting point for a deep conversation within our society for the future of healthcare.
However it seems to me there are many such conversations, about many of the institutions that surround us, that need to be started.
I sometimes feel they wont.Danielle I hope women will take this up I dont think I am in any way able to contribute on the subject in any detail or depth.
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Oh Well, no one thought my channelling of Jon Stewart was clever or even funny. Woe is me.
All right, health it's a serious business,( I can do serious) it needs deep thought and its a mine field.
Our genetic make ups are vastly different, evolution has served us up a quandary of monumental monetary considerations.
Where should the money go, who is best qualified to decide this distribution.
Where can we get the most bang for our buck.
Well Gareth points in a few directions, but the solutions need to be fleshed out.There's considerable and mounting evidence, for example, that early childhood experiences (such as developing a loving bond with a mother) can have a positive impact on a lifetime's worth of health outcomes,
Yeah good, so mum stays at home and looks after baby. So does that mean she dont need to return to the work force after 3 months is it? I'm not sure if this is a solution rather than raising a whole load of other questions and "topics for further discussion".
This kind of preventive medicine shades into the realm of social care. Health and well-being has been shown to be correlated with indicators from many other areas of life, especially education, housing and employment
So what, we shouldnt live in overcrowded people unfriendly environments like cities? But up here Mr Greene said this about healthcare facilties:
We also continue to throw money at remote, inefficient provincial hospitals. These are expensive to run, provide minimal services and because few doctors want to work there they end up relying on expensive locums.
So people will fare better in less intensive industrial places, but there wont be any doctors or hospitals, cause it's expensive and anyway doctors don't like living away from cafes? Yes It's a problem I know.
New Zealand's chance to become a pastoral egalitarian paradise was lost in the mid seventies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohu
Big Norm, where are you. -
Obesity is the modern world's take on the mind-body problem.
I always say it's a glandular problem. The pineal gland, to be precise.Some people think the pineal is the seat of the soul.
So is it, either get fat, or find god. Now those are bleak choices, luckily there is nothing binary about it.
I've seen examples of people who do both.
But thats not what I wanted to say either...I'll get my coat. -
Well that was quite a funny snippet of Gareth's thinking.
It vacillated between PR for primary and preventative health care and having a good old dig at whiny rich people, well they must be richish enough to have a computer and the ability to go to "hypochondria.com", I would have thought "miraclecure.sucker" would have been more appropriate.
Ya know, (chuckle) it's funny because over on Keith Ng's blog some one was having a whine about poor people knocking the rich. The phrase "tall poppy" put in an appearance. Any way any way..
It occurred to me that what was going on here is the poor people will moan about the rich people, but will stoically take their hit's when it comes to their health, or look after themselves because if they don't all they can do is sit on their arse's, eat Mickey D's, watch TV and fat.
Whereas the rich people will stoically takes the jibes about their wealth, we all get to see this on our TV's, fit and fat. But these...... how can I say this...... rich people moan like shit when they get old, sick and are dying. And it seems search the internet and bug their doctors , who are willing to sit and smile as their bank accounts tick over.
Ohhh New Zealanders you have come to a sorry state.
But that chap in Bangladesh what a guy.
When's he coming back... I miss him already.