Posts by Rich Lock
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Caleb D'Anvers,
The Tories have just presided over the greatest disaster in the country's history since WWII and we're talking about Corbyn?
Yeah, well, I'll repeat what I said upthread:
So the Labour opposition have somehow contrived to achieve the in-the-circumstances almost impossible feat of wrestling the spotlight off the government of the day (the ones who actually completely stuffed the country, and painfully obviously have no plan for unstuffing it), and onto themselves instead.
It's a bit like watching an old-timey music hall act, where the comedian spends half-an-hour exerting more and more effort, getting more and more contorted, but somehow by the end he has still failed to put on his hat, and now his trousers have ended up around his ankles as well.
"Some electorates do 'ave 'em", perhaps? "Ooooooo, Jeremy! Ooooooo, Jeremy!"
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Speaker: The Government you Deserve, in reply to martinb,
Corbyn is a career politician
Your definition of this being...?
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to John Palethorpe,
But the fact the resignees were planning this before the Oldham by election and the Council elections - any opportunity for Corbyn to fail, and he didn't - puts me on his side of this.
Add that to the fact that their opportunism means that now, with the Tories in disarray, they have turned it into an argument about how much Corbyn is to blame for the result.
But I worry that this ends up with the party irreparably divided, broken and in a worse state than ever before. And that's after six years of opposition.
Yeah, that the thing. My UK Labour support has gone from half-hearted, to 'you can fuck right off, you careerist, chancing shower of shit'.
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to simon g,
Corbyn has shown himself to be pretty bad at his job
Yes, but...
- zero honeymoon period
- little to no support from parliamentary/party apparatus
- sections of the party actively working against him from day one
- attempted a negotiation and consensus style of leadership, rather than confrontational
- country is dealing with the biggest political shitstorm since ages ago.As I said earlier, wrong man at the wrong place and time. However, would it have been different at a different time?
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Caleb D'Anvers,
After his election, many people, myself included, flocked back to a party they’d completely written off.
I signed up as a supporter specifically to vote for him at the leadership election. Although I generally have no issue with him, I'm very unimpressed with his referedum performance. So he's probably not the right man in the right place at the right time.
Having said that, given the pitiful pissings of the parliamentary party as a whole since....well.....shit....1997, I guess? I'll be flocking off again post-haste.
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Ben Austin,
I think the Conservatives will come in for their share, but this Labour meltdown is just too distracting.
So the Labour opposition have somehow contrived to achieve the in-the-circumstances almost impossible feat of wrestling the spotlight off the government of the day (the ones who actually completely stuffed the country, and painfully obviously have no plan for unstuffing it), and onto themselves instead.
It's a bit like watching an old-timey music hall act, where the comedian spends half-an-hour exerting more and more effort, getting more and more contourted, but somehow by the end he has still failed to put on his hat, and now his trousers have ended up around his ankles as well.
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Rich Lock,
The Specials 'Ghost Town'
Speaking of protest songs from the 1980's, I've had this earworm running through my head for the last two days:
On! on! on! cried the leaders at the back
We went galloping down the blackened hills
And into the gaping trap
The bridges are burnt behind us and there's waiting guns ahead
Into the valley of death rode the brave hundreds -
Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Rich of Observationz,
At the moment, anyone can buy a car in the UK and import it to a mainland EU country without paperwork.
BMW build minis in the UK and the Netherlands. In a few years, UK minis will attract a sales tariff in the EU while those from the Netherlands won't. Which country would you choose if you were on the BMW board?
BMW ain't the only ones. I had a couple of friends from Derby over yesterday. Derby, effectively, has two employers: Rolls-Royce Aerospace, and Toyota. Toyota originally hedged their bets, and set up a plant in Derby, and one in Paris. Guess which one might now relocate? Rolls-Royce is also highly dependent on mutual co-operation with EADS, a European Union company with primarily French, Dutch and German roots.
Derby is already a post-industrial shithole with extremely high unemployment and a gutted city centre with that semi-permanent 'atmosphere of imminent violence' all too common in the UK, and which my friends only visit if absolutely necessary. The Specials 'Ghost Town' is going to look like 'everything is awesome!' if either of those two start packing up the wagon.
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Craig Ranapia,
stoned Womble
Bravo, sir. Stealing that.
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Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Matthew Hooton,
They haven't really been complete mess-ups but to the extent they have been mess-ups it has been that they overestimate Guardian opinions and underestimate Daily Mail and Telegraph ones.
I have no idea what you mean by that.
However, the 2015 general election polling was wrong (completely missing the 'outright majority' that eventuated). The polling in the runup to the referendum was also wrong (giving remain a narow lead, albeit within the margin of error).
All of this polling was carried out by professional polling companies, who you would have thought knew what they were doing and could add in the appropriate correction factors, esecially since they got a pretty good kicking post-general election.