Posts by Simon Grigg
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So here's the challenge, Simon: Show some evidence that this has occurred, and I mean solid evidence that the industry has directly suffered from file-sharing,
Oh come on Mark, the false assumption you made was my position on all this. I explained that in some detail which you would have seen if you had continued through the thread. Or read my reasonably forthright views on PA or on my blog over the years.
And I've provided personal, admittedly unscientific and anecdotal evidence that file sharing is hurting sales, and I suspect most parents could do exactly the same. You've yet to tell me why that doesn't translate. Here's the real challenge..you provide evidence as to why that assumption is wrong.
Your evidence to counter that is a bit of dated data, a site which seems to have more to do with copyright infringement on handbags and watches, a blog or two, and a worthy professor trying to tell us what we all knew years ago.
And you still don't get the industry, the depth and breadth of it and why RIAA and the European bodies (which is what we are really talking about) is NOT my industry body. You are making a non-argument.
Seriously, I think I made my case and yours was found wanting.
@Sacha
Thanks...no offense meant!
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And you would guess incorrectly. But when did you become robbery's keeper?
I didn't and correct me if I'm wrong but in the last copyright thread you walked away, similarly tossing a few false assumptions out there as facts in doing so, so I guessed it was habitual.
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@Simon Grigg
If you don't want to be tarred with the industry brush, sort out your industry. It is your job, if you don't want the blame that goes with them.Don't sort such naive twaddle Mark. Do I approach a few software developers I know and say sort out EA's 'Securom'. No of course not. How exactly is it 'my job'?..because you stomp your feet and say so? You don't like the law that various lobby groups have persuaded quite a few governments around the world to enact, you sort it out...I'm not your keeper.
Do I really care about the 'blame' that a few folks on PA who don't quite get the dynamic of the recording industry may throw in a blanket direction..no, sorry.
Pretty much going back to ignoring you now. Buh-bye
That, I guess, is an 'I don't know' statement.
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This new government is superb!
Hell (which is where I suspect they've gone), just two hours after he was declared the Bali bombers went down..the man is an international powerhouse....
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*presumed that meant NO MORE pesky nanny government could tell HER...*
edit!
either way it was funny, TP
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One could be somewhat bitchy and point out that a good chunk of Labour's base couldn't afford a garden shed on the same street as Helen's "little driveway",
My in-laws live across the road from Helen, and have lived there about the same number of years. When they bought, like many of the inner suburbs, it was a why-the-hell-would-you-buy-there address.
The rateable rise of these burbs over the decades is hardly either surprising or something she can be held responsible for.
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Just don't be all Canute about it, and don't come whining here when your colleagues are behaving like protectionist shits. Go sort them out.
Why? Can you point me in the direction of a ruling that says that a record label is either his brother's keeper or anyone elses? It's not my or anyone elses job to defend anyone against a naivete that makes blanket assumptions that it's all one happy family gagging for punitive legislation to beat up people in New Zealand.
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In which case, why do we get legislation that's driven by the industry bodies? You can't pretend that s92 is in some way reflective of a desire to embrace the internet.
As with most things, it's the vocal players that get the attention. They also get the laws drafted how they want them, and the rest of you be damned.If you want us to consider the industries as having any more-enlightened players than the industry bodies, rein the fuckers in. Because right now, y'all are getting tarred with the same brush, as unfair as that may be.
Because as you say, these are the most vocal bodies and whilst they may get the attention but quite clearly do not represent all the underflow. It's naive to think an industry such as the recording industry which ranges from the likes of little vinyl based 500 unit labels, to digital only dance labels to multi-billion dollar public corporations, and every colour in-between, all speak with the same voice and work within the same parameters. Especially when one of the core rules of this industry at the lower levels is that there are no rules. Embracing digital has given many small players quite an edge.
You want the little guys to have the same voice...you fund them to reign in giants like UMG and WMG because I don't think they see it as their job or responsibility and are, quite noisily, as derisive of the demands made by these guys as anyone..at least where I'm sitting and from what I'm reading daily. The majors are, once you leave NZ, rarely cut much slack by the indies when it comes to digital.
Or maybe tell the lawmakers, who are listening to the major label bodies, and after all, are paid employees that they are not considering all the options. The onus to take into account all options lies with those drafting the law, not the lobby groups or anyone else.
Reign in the fuckers drafting this stuff. You won't get a lot of argument from a lot of the recording industry.
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The problem for all sectors of the content industry is that they fail to understand how they need to change to match this evolution. Old measures were for old technologies, where the scarcity of the product was a given because of the barriers to entry that copying entailed. That's changed, and it's not going to change back. That's what Lessig is saying with "carrying on as we are is not an option."
No wrong at almost every level Mark. As I tried to point out to you in that other thread whilst you tried to put words in my mouth, there are plenty of us with some history in the content industry who have advocated just that, and repeatedly said that not changing is not an option..going back at least half a decade before others wandered in and started repeating what had been said as if it was some revelation.
You may get the industry bodies sticking their heads in the sand and waffling but to assume they speak for the content industry as a whole simply shows a failure to understand the industry at the root or the things that drive it.
Many many content providers have long embraced and championed the ethos and direction of the web and indeed the benefits of file sharing as far back as Napster (the professor you quoted in that other thread was a few years late with his theories and much quoted examples), and indeed the division in the industry this has caused has been the subject of fairly heated discussion for years in industry forums. I've seen Lessig's quote, from others, countless times over the years but mostly it's long since accepted.
These are not stupid people and many are more than one step ahead of this discussion.
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One thing I've liked about Hide (maybe the only thing) was that he did the opposition thing right - called the govt on things and kept them honest (not so much this term though) - in a way that the Nats really didn't
In particular the way he railed in Birch's instruction to the IRD to attack regardless of the human (and indeed, often fiscal) consequences. I've always give Hide credit for that and it's a huge stain on the IRD and their political masters at the time.