Posts by Sacha
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And in line with St ephen's insights, this recent gem from Robbery...
we are still the emotive and instinctive creatures we chose not to see ourselves as (thinking rational beings all of us, I think not).
Rob, I'm happy to be both emotive and instinctive. If you're not, then that's your problem to deal with. You won't be getting away with making it mine, especially when the topic is so obviously emotive in nature. Show some respect for the different forms of knowledge expressed here.
it's the internet, its not like I'm really bothered or offended by your comments.
It's hardly "courageous" to keep trying to sideline the conversation if you don't care what others think anyway. Bravery involves a bit more investment than that.
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Crikey, you've added another five pages since I left. There's a lot of talking past going on, so I'd like to suggest everyone re-read Stephen's wise point about that - http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,1214,hard_news_so_far_from_trivial.sm?p=58970#post58970
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And Russell I respect your position and want to reassure you that I'm not having a go.
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And that they have started doing so already, should I say...
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Giovanni, sorry for starting something when I have to leave for a while, but I'm confident that others can answer that.
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Giovanni, I guess I'm saying nothing happens in a vacuum and the context always includes power dimensions like gender and corporate control.
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men, women, owner, contributor, consumer, etc
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which is ironic, given that their perceived attractiveness is the ostensible point of the show
That's certainly how I read what Russell said at the time. However, there are always broader power relationships involved despite intent or outcome, and Russell is no more a passive participant in this forum than Lewis is in hers.
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Obscene enough to warrant a complaint to the press council ?
Go for it, Fletcher. I'm sure the cross ownership raises things to another level of murkiness. I have always regarded Homes as a poor journalist, but whoever editorially approved this smarmy crap also deserves to be held accountable.
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Jill I agree about your examples of Michelle Boag and even Bridget Saunders, but when someone like Lisa Lewis is very actively promoting her artificially inflated breasts as a key part of her place in the world it gets more complex. Considering her a victim would be a mistake.
Have never watched Naked News but I remember reading that comment from Russell - and I interpreted it at the time as an expression of sympathy for imagined discomfort from her swollen "assets" (money generating as they are). I won't speculate on the source of Russell's understanding of what that might fell like.
To me, the big picture certainly is woven from the smallest utterances but sometimes a cigar is also just a cigar. Some things are more defensible than others, and some never are (and there we agree on zero tolerance) - in case people think I'm being inconsistent from my position on Veitch.
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