Posts by Sacha
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Unfortunately Clydesdale's paper is not a worthwhile starting point for such a discussion.
I kind of agree - but then I read your comprehensive, lucid post. Brilliant inadvertent counter-example, methinks.
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It's a pity so many people will not listen to a challenge.
Simon, you just don't seem to be listening. In a fair context, I'll certainly defend your right to say whatever you like. However that brings you no automatic right to be taken seriously unless you meet certain standards of discourse. Your last lengthy post is certainly an improvement.
As Shep and others have said, any academic should be held to higher standards including peer review and not touting unfinished work to the media. Clydesdale's inflammatory content has attracted attention as he intended, but it's his sloppy thinking and dodgy process that most comments here seem to be focused on.
Informed debate about immigration would be welcome. That's a challenge I'm sure others here are more than happy to take on.
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Yep, guaranteed floor-filler at parties. Great story, Che, ta.
that or anything reggae/hip-hop
How's about them Roots then?
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Hard not to smile, or dance for that matter:
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And we have Bassett to thank for his part in creating our messy local govt structure in Auckland. Did he actually do anything useful?
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Simon. Informed debate. Not self-pitying drivel.
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Come on. Kim Hill interrupted Clydesdale because he wasn't making enough sense, not because she was trying to suppress his precious ideas. Sound familiar? If you can't handle being held to a decent standard of informed debate then stay out of the kitchen.
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Kracklite - same. Note with interest that our "Simon Fraser" posted this on kiwiblog at 11.35am as "freethought (3)":
"You guys are great. I have been debating with people at http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,1152,hard_news_debating_clydesdale.sm?p=53197 and they’re scarily ignorant.
You speak of how you get labelled as soon as you try to open a debate: that’s what happened to Clydesdale and then what happened to me when I joined this other forum."Simon, have you even read the report or the reviews of it? You want a debate then how about making it an informed one. To do otherwise would be, well, ignorant.
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Now if we were talking about targeting consequential social investment or some other solutions to current disparities then that might be a useful discussion.
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There's a difference between insulting a group and lobbying to prevent them from being part of the population.