Posts by Juha Saarinen
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"...a good, honest, toiling son of the soil."
Saved you from being a horny-handed one too, I reckon.
Reminds me, I owe you beer or ten still for chopping down that tree for us, and elegantly bopping it away with your shoulder as the trunk fell.
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No, I don't know what you're saying any more then. Nobody wants to have a repeat of the Holocaust for anyone, but I read what you wrote as Europe having lurched so far into lunacy that the muslims are pushed towards extermination. They're not integrating very well into a liberal, western society, but that's not the same. If there are no shared values, integration isn't going to work.
If you were an Arab and muslim, would you stop to wonder why so many of your own are the perpetrators of the attacks against your own people?
Even Americans who aren't the most perceptive lot sometimes wonder why they're so disliked and even feared overseas.
It's probably easier to blame it all on external factors though and if you think about it, both the Americans and the Arab world do.
I think we can all agree on Guantanamo being the death knell of justice and freedom in the US, but I'm still not going to give Iran plus points for kidnapping the sailors even if they do free them. That's just crazy.
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It's "les Beurres", Don, and Finland isn't part of Scandinavia even though it's right next to it. You may also find that xenophobia and discrimination in Europe - and elsewhere - isn't exclusively aimed at muslims.
But anyway, do continue and explain how the Muslim Holocaust you're hinting at is in progress.
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Then there was the Handzar or Handschar SS division, which sounds like a complete and utter fiasco on all parts.
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Apart from a few dusty and mildewy academics, I don't think most Europeans have any view of 1815 beyond it being a year very far away in the past.
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Tuchman's idea (and I say this without ever having read her, so could be off completely here) sounds interesting, and it's probably true in the sense that we compare with what recent history we can recall (but not always verify, for obvious reasons).
However, Sonic clearly stated that muslims are being persecuted today like the Jews were in the thirties. No matter how one twists that, it's simply not correct.
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What have we now then? Pogroms and extermination camps for muslims?
Muslims have to wear crescent insignia on their clothes?
They have their property confiscated by fascist regimes?
If that's what Tuchmann says, she's stretching her credibility paper thin.
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I can't hear any such echoes, and it's not because I'm deaf to them.
Making spurious comparisons like that really isn't helpful. That's Kiwiblog comments section territory so it'd be good if you didn't do it.
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It's off topic for the discussion, but Finland fought against Nazi Germany after the peace treaty with the Soviet Union, a war that left the northern part of the country in ruins.
I'm also too young to have been in the war, or to have taken part in the politics of the time, but I note that the distant Jewish rellies made it through that unpleasant era in one piece.
One mentioned fighting next to German troops and then against them soon after. He said - and this is where Russell's point about people comes in, that the Germans were nice and polite. Should make contact with that side of the family again, actually.
I trust this deflects any war time guilt poo as flung in my direction by Don.