Posts by Steve Barnes
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Polity: Refugees and aid - we’re laggards, in reply to Daman Saini,
Are we talking about settling them in state houses? Or will we try and establish some other deal so they have shelter?
We will not have any State houses by then so the latter will apply, we shall call this... Plan A.
In a state of international emergency, providing assistance is the right thing to do, but other people in this discussion have mentioned that we are facing child poverty issues, which are not being addressed,
True but they are not mutually exclusive, we should be doing both and that is the point. How can John Key bow to popular sentiment over refugees while ignoring the plight of our own needy. The fact is that those on the Right resent anybody getting a hand up and presume that the way forward is the "Trickle Down Theory".
We shall, also, call this Plan A.There is a lot of tension about me supporting national, I don’t. I support people who are looking out for the good of New Zealand
Those are, I am afraid, mutually exclusive, to support both would need a level of cognitive dissonance beyond the realms of the most simple logic.
I’ve just stated the facts I’ve found through journalists.
Now, see, there's your problem... thems ain't facts, thems factoids.
But language barrier will still be an issue, I’m talking in terms of employment. Maybe we can first help these refugees learn English so their transition into the work force is easier.
I think you will find, if you look, that a large proportion of Syrian refugees are fluent in English.
As to alternatives to the first two answers, we could call those Plan B.
According to Bill English, Steven Joyce and John Key, there is no plan B, for anything, not the economy or even the flag. "We don't need no stinkin' Plan B" they say... -
Polity: Refugees and aid - we’re laggards, in reply to Daman Saini,
I can see that a lot of people are sensitive regarding this topic and obviously hate National. Which is fine.
We are a sensitive lot, you should see what happens when we discuss copyright.
However, I don't think we hate National per se, its just that we can see what they are doing and we dislike it.
We dislike it a lot.
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Polity: Meet the middle, in reply to BenWilson,
but I don't know how to give that out on the web. It would need some kind of java applet or something...
This may be the go, if you're using SAS...
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Hard News: Not yet standing upright, in reply to Ian Dalziel,
..those Imperialists, so vexed about National Standards are they, that if ya give ’em a halyard, they’ll take a mile!
Perhaps a flag to reflect our image...
if ya give ’em a halyard, they’ll take a mylar...
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Polity: Meet the middle, in reply to BenWilson,
Can dig deeper here. Won't be until the end of next week, though.
Waiting with bated breath.
Will we be going 3D?
;-)
We could end up with a HollowGraph...
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Just picked up on this..
We can now rule out that the government will ensure that New Zealand is not under any potential threats.
So the Govt. will not ensure that we are not under any potential threats.
or The Govt. will ensure we are under any potential threats.
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Polity: Refugees and aid - we’re laggards, in reply to Daman Saini,
Where are these people going to work, live.
Most of these people are highly educated, by New Zealand standards and as such will probably create not only their own opportunities but opportunities for others. As to where they will live, I would like to think the authorities will allow them to live wherever they want to, unfortunately the Refugee Settlement Authority only allows them to settle in the 4 main centres, Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin presumably.
Are they going to go on a benefit?
At first they will receive assistance, not the "benefit" as you call it.
There are too many people already abusing it.
Now it is your turn to do some research, you will find your statement is far from the truth but a widely held belief among National voters.
Welcome to PAS, we will have you voting for the good of New Zealand and getting rid of these corrupt and greedy sods in no time.
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Eighty percent of the world's refugees are hosted in developing countries, which the agency described as a "deep imbalance in international support."
Pakistan hosts the most refugees with 1.7 million. The second and third leading countries to host refugees at the end of 2011 were Iran and Syria.
But wait, there's more...
Main destinations for new aslyum seekers
1. South Africa (107,000 claims) -- half from Zimbabwe
2. United States of America (76,000)
3. France (52,100)
4. Germany (45,700)
5. Italy (30,300)Major refugee-hosting countries
1.Pakistan (1.7 million people)
2.Iran (887,000)
3.Syria (755,400)
4.Germany (571,000)
5.Kenya (566,500)Major source countries of refugees
1.Afghanistan (2.7 million people)
2.Iraq (1.4 million)
3.Somalia (1.1 million)
4.Sudan (500,000)
5.Democratic Republic of the Congo (491,500)Continents where asylum seekers originated from
1.Asia (45%)
2.Africa (27%)
3.Europe (15%)
4.Americas (8%)We don't rate, not at all...
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Polity: Refugees and aid - we’re laggards, in reply to chris,
This is pretty cool.
Nice, apart from the murdered bit, I thought we were better than that but then.... maybe not.
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Polity: Refugees and aid - we’re laggards, in reply to Daman Saini,
my main concern is their paperwork.
Oh good, glad to know you are concerned.
Where are the statistics which show we have room?
Hang on...
Here ya go...New Zealand
Population
- June 2015 estimate 4,596,700[6] (123rd)
- 2013 census 4,242,048
- Density 16.8/km2 (205th)
43.6/sq mi
HereUnited Kingdom
Population
- 2014 estimate 64,511,000[4] (22nd)
- 2011 census 63,181,775[5] (22nd)
- Density 255.6/km2 (51st)
661.9/sq mi
HereSo, not around 80 million but not far off.