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scottY............. you sound like a squeely little middle class white boy who has NO idea how some people live in the drug/prohibition scene.
You seem to have NO comprehension of how common violent home invasions are amongst the drug fraternity.
Are you such a fuckwit that you think dealers and others playing in the prohibition playground do not sometimes tool up to repel the gang prospects or who ever who may come calling to do them harm.
Are you such a moron that you do not believe that prohibition raises levels of violence AND paranoia.
Are You ?
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Islander ................... jan moeller WAS sick.
Cannabis prohibition allowed the physicall manifestation of that sickness to reach an explosive ending.
Prohibition distorted and shaped his sickness into a fortified stronghold.
To absolve prohibiton from the progress and direction of Jans sickness is kinda sick itself ...........................
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Its oh so true that Most cannabis growers/dealers cause no problems at all for the police when getting busted ............ thats why I wrote earlier in the thread that the 4 police were on a routine 'lark' , just like its a lark when they play fly boys in the helicopters and pull out or destroy the small percentage of outdoor grown cannabis that they find.
I'm sure theres police officers who enjoy the lack of fight or abuse they get from 'routine' cannabis busts, it must be so much better and safer than say domestics.
There are certainly many police officers in the police force who have forged careers and gained promotions on drugs and cannabis busts.
And to what end ?????
All cannabis prohibition succeeded in was in the rapid growth and influence of gangs and the setting up of cannabis distribution networks which were of use to the gangs when the far more lucrative methamphetamine market was developed.
But anyway I'm wandering of topic so I'll say once more to those who still dont get.
Jan Moeller seems to have lived and operated in the Black market cannabis scene.
Violence and standovers from gangs or violent criminal ( ala Graham Burton ) are valid business methods in the black market. It is also normal business that the police are your enemy. It is also normal ( for some ) to have weapons and fortify their business premise.
This is the environment that jan lived in . This is the dark side of prohibition which people and posters like to pretend does not exist or that it does not shape/damage/alter a persons psyche who lives and operates in it.
Whats offensive to me is all the pretence ( or ignorance ) that prohibition had nothing to do with the blood bath in napier.
The thing that makes Napier stand out from other prohibition linked murders is that it was a police officer who died.
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Scotty .................. never mind the tone of my post. The message which still seems to be Unthinkable to most in this thread is that our drug laws ( or cannabis laws in this instance ) have gone a long way towards the actions that jan moeller took, the persecution complex he had and the anger which obviously burned within him.
IF he was a dealer/grower then his arsenal was most likely collected for the home invasion/rip off situation which happen ALL TO OFTEN in the black market drug scene.
It is very common for gang prospects ( and especially the mongrel mob ones ) to be given the task of stealing/standing over cannabis dealers. ..................... and for a long time in NZ the police had a 'look the other way ' response to home invasions against 'drug dealers', in other words the police encouraged home invasions against certain sectors of society ..........
Jan Moeller "flash reacted" to the presence of police in HIS home and it most certainly was related to the cannabis bust they were conducting against him.
We have yet to see the scale of Jans cannabis business but if he had a grow in his garage then under our cannabis laws he stood to have his house confiscated.
How do people know in this thread that the police doing their routine 'lets fuck up the life of a cannabis dealer/grower' were not gloating at him and letting him know he was in a heap of shit and would have his house taken of him ?????. How does anyone know the cops were not acting like arseholes ?????
How do people know that Jan had not been dabbling with cannabis for years and so had been viewing the police amongst his enemys for years and years.
Once more I say that those who are not releating what happened in Napier with our drug laws are the ones who are divorced from reality.
Also earlier in this thread Russell said that Jan shot the police "in cold blood" , I disagree, he did it in red hot enraged blood. He did not coldly climb a watch tower and start killing people.
This was a prohibition crime, prohibition made the man, created the scene and gave us this result.
……………. And I wont pretend otherwise
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Some observations.
This was not a routine drug bust ……….. from Jan’s point of view.
It might have been another ho – hum lets go fuck over a stoner/ pot grower lark by the 4 police men involved but these ‘routine’ drug searches are always anything but ‘routine’ to the poor mug who is on the receiving end of them. Nobody seems to be considering what these 'routine' warrents mean to the victims of them.
There is NO indication that Jan would have ‘unloaded’ on the police if they were not around at HIS house trying to fuck up HIS life. It seems more likely that he built up his arsenal was in response to a perceived threat from the mongrel mob …………………. It just happened to be another type of gang who invaded his house.
And nobody on these boards seems to have the imagination or comprehension of how the ‘war on drug users’ affects the psyche of those who deal and use illegal drugs.
I’ve heard dealers say they feel like the resistance ( from WWII ), and they don’t think of the police/germans as the good guys …………..The illegal status and persecution ( at world record rates ) of cannabis users in NZ DOES induce a siege like mentality in some users , some users are very angry that they are legally considered criminals for using a softer/safer drug than booze.
To pretend that Jan Moellers state of mind and spectacular end to his life had nothing to do with cannabis laws and bullshit searchs seems very divorced from reality to me ………………………………
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In reply to Steve barnes 'citation needed', my information about the casulization of their work force comes directly from a manager at a supermarket in wellington, out of a staff of over 100 they have 5 full time ( real job ) employees ...... It obviously makes employees cheaper.
Likewise the information on their mark-ups comes from management.
They maximise the mark-ups and profits on what should be the staples of a good diet.
Its the corpritization of our food and its going to end up with obesity , diabete's and ill health all over the show.
And they should keep the recreational drugs ( booze ) away from the food.
If you want that drug go to the bottel shop.
I feel sorry for all the 'dry' alcoholics having it rammed at them all the time.
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There’s several things I dislike about supermarkets before I even get to their booze aisle’s.
One thing is that I find distasteful is the vast majority of their staff are causal’s, even the ones doing 30-40hr weeks for months or even years. I presume it helps the supermarket profits in some ways but I think businesses should offer real jobs if they require workers to do full time hours , especially for the not so skilled in our community.
Another thing I dislike is that their big margins or mark-ups on items are on what should be the basis of a healthy diet. Fruit and veg, the bakery, the butchery and dairy products are all heavily marked up. The crap food such as nestle type products, coca-cola and other sugar drinks, bikkies, sugar cereals and of course the booze are sold for much smaller and tighter margins. People are being encouraged through price to eat rubbish…..
I would not be surprised if supermarkets pricing is specifically predatory towards small green-grocers, butchers and bottle shops but generally these small owner operator type business’s go to the wall when the supermarkets set up in their area. This in turn is bad news for small market gardeners, growers and other small scale suppliers.
But back to the wine, I personally don’t think booze should be sold in the supermarkets. I say this on behalf of all the alcoholics I know and I think they should be able to shop for food without the temptation of their drug of ruin being marketed/pushed at them.Sure most of us have no problem with alcohol but it is pushed like no other drug and I think if you want to have it you should go to a bottle/drug shop.
Don’t be ramming it at the addicts all the time ………………..
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........ back on page 1 of this discussion Russell put up a link which showed up some of the hyopocrisy of Peter Dunne ( whatsy dunne ) and united future. http://publicaddress.net/668 .
Reading the second post of russells on that page I found this interesting quote from united future ...... <i>United Future's Internal Affairs spokesman Marc Alexander was quickly on the defensive yesterday, issuing a press release implying that the only significant changes his party had inserted to the bill were "the strengthening of mechanisms for helping problem gamblers" and the blocking of the Green-backed plan to centralise the distribution of money from pokies.</i> ......
This bit in particular ..... <i>and the blocking of the Green-backed plan to centralise the distribution of money from pokies</i>
Anyone remember what Brent Todd got in trouble for ????
........ and who hasn't heard of various pokies rip-offs and rorts in their town ......
I wonder if whatsy dunne got any $5000 dollar donations to help him make up his mind to block the Greens plan ..........
Maybe some $5000 dollar donations could help him sort out his stance on climate change as well ...........
Better hope its not Rodney handing him the 5 grand .....
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As usual I was at the cake tin and sitting just a little bit around and a little bit lower than the photo of the Indian fan ( we were between the run out cameras), its the usual section where I like to sit and the patrons seem a little more 'colorful' in this part of the stand.
The 20/20 was good but I prefer the ODI's and they are best from a crowd and spectator's perspective when NZ bats second, that way the home crowd get to cheer every good shot and the atmosphere really builds.
Some ODI's fail to fire and last season's game against england was a bit ho hum with the english totally failing to fire.
The Aussies did the same thing when they came out with a weakened team but we managed to down trou them in that game ( we reached their target without losing a wicket ) and when it became apparent we might the tension built as to whether we could knock of their target without even losing our openers. That was a first for them ( the aussies) and I told my son and his cricket team mates who were there with us that they had seen history that night ......
The tests at the basin are great and the bank is just so much more comfortable than the stadium chairs. Its a different game and a different pace but it defiantly has its pleasure's and if Sneddon as Ceo of NZ cricket had not pulled the plug on the Christmas test at the basin a well attended version of that game would have been a successful permanent fixture on the cricketing calendar.
When the english played there the amount of supporters , signs and banners they had made the basin look like foreign territory. I took my boy and a few of his teammates along on the friday afternoon and we made a banner which read " Give Sidebottem a Crack " which could have been interpreted positively by both team's.
If there is a game of international cricket at the cake tin or the basin and I'm in town I always go along. I'm usually there with 'sid' and I enjoy being part of the Wellington crowd who I rate as amongst the best crowd's in the world to watch sport.
There's a friendly party vibe that wellington folk bring to the game .....
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You want serious well thought out policys and legislation ................ dont you realize there's that important populist stuff to attend to .............
I know a teenage boy who is just starting university this year .
He's 90-95% blind and has 'battled' his way through the education system.
Part of the problem he faced was although his high school recieved extra funding for having a pupil with special needs, it was up to the principle what portion of that extra funding was spent on him.
In other words his funding was swallowed into the general operating budget of the school ............. the principle got to decide how much the blind boy recieved of his funding.
Aside from not getting enough teacher resources directed his way he also faced extra hurdles rangeing from bullying ( yep , he had charming things like boys pushing him into door jams etc ) through to always getting his work resources for assignments and such late ............. he was still expected to hand them in on time though.
There are large funding holes in the education sector.
Expect them to get bigger.