Posts by Danielle
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there WILL be people reading here for whom this is NOT an intellectual exercise, not a theory, not an abstract
I agree, and even if there's someone speaking theoretically or generally, you never know what they've experienced... I think that there are probably also plenty of people who discuss these kinds of things abstractly in order to avoid the personal/painful part altogether. We are a nation of sublimators, right?
I didn't know who Veitch was either! I should have taken more notice of my sport-talkback-listening uncle...
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Um... is anyone else here really confused about what just happened?
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you have Women's refuge and Rape crises for support, But only if you are female
I am truly interested, Steven, in why you think those two institutions exist. Do you think they sprang, fully formed, contextless, into our society for absolutely no reason?
(I am starting to get a distinct whiff of MRA from this thread... ewww.)
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It's not OK for either side!
No. It isn't.
It might be worth noting that even if we accept your gender-neutral approach to 'likelihood of domestic violence', and assume that violence against men by women is underreported, we should perhaps also note that women are far more likely to *be actually murdered* by their male partners than vice versa.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/ipv01.pdf
There are degrees of violence to be analysed here.
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which I have noticed danielle has slipped into conversation before hand
Well, as I said earlier, maybe my discomfort with the term is solely 'on me', as it were. I do tend to remember historical facts like that. (I also know heaps about the history of underwear, but no one talks about bras very much around here. :) )
*However*, even if it's just me, and it's actually a lovely evocative broadly defined metaphor which doesn't really mean specific things, I do think said metaphor is very poorly used in this particular thread, since no one here appears to be doing what you say they're doing, robbery - baying for extra-judicial punishment in a mob. It's annoying to have this discussion escalated to that level.
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you have an active and colourful imagination not short on gory detail
No, I have a vivid memory of all the tutoring I did in American history. Someone says 'lynch mob', and I think of the 19th and 20th century lynchings of African-Americans. Which included everything I mentioned in my previous post, right down to the postcard pictures. So I get a little antsy with the metaphor when people are having a civilised discussion, and aren't actually calling for anyone's death by mob. It's needlessly escalating the argument - it has a certain Godwinesque quality to it. But hey: maybe that's just me.
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Lynching, incidentally, has almost precisely nothing to do with how we're discussing the incident. No one here has come anywhere near calling for Veitch to be hung up by a tree, burned, beaten, and have his genitals and tongue cut out, while the rest of the community has a picnic and takes postcard pictures. Nor was his infraction an imaginary one based on racist fears of miscegenation or 'uppitiness'. We were just discussing legal, justice-type stuff, because, in case you hadn't noticed, he broke his ex-girlfriend's back. In four places. And, uh, put her in a wheelchair.
But if you want to crazily exaggerate it that way, be my guest.
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"it makes you realise where apes come from"
<boggle>
I'm not sure how I missed that one on the first go-round. Jaysus.
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The first thing that billboard said to me was that the person paid to be quiet had cheated.
I agree entirely...it's really f*cking poor from Tui
Yeah, that's what I thought too. I thought I was reading it wrong. But it appears not. Awesome.
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You do something as stupid as that
There are a lot of words I'd use to describe his actions, but 'stupid' seems rather too complimentary. 'Stupid' is locking your keys in the car or forgetting your mum's birthday... not breaking your girlfriend's back.