Posts by giovanni tiso
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I personally would have, particularly during the parts where they showed the people dying graphically.
There was no such graphic representation, sorry if you read that into something I wrote. Unless you count endless replays of the planes hitting or the buidings falling. I found however equally graphic the lack of mention of the deceased, except as piece of debris - he made a big deal of the fragments of bones projected at great distance from the towers, which for him counted as evidence of deflagrations.
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The nanothermite that wasn't actually found and that we're not even sure actually exists? It is a puzzle, I'll give you that.
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Isn't that what every other museum in the world does?
No idea -- do they?
I think so. The Powerhouse in Sydney (which would have been a better fit, if there is such a thing, insofar as it's a museum of science and technology) withdrew the booking on the same grounds I'm advocating for.
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Are you really suggesting that Te Papa should somehow vet every seminar, performance, film, speaker, and whotnot for suitability? Whom do you suggest would carry out this task? And by what/whose standards? Extraordinary...
Isn't that what every other museum in the world does?
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The hardest thing in the world to prove is that we went to the moon, innit?
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I hear what ur saying, and I'm pretty sure that for the purposes of this discussion, Soundings Theatre is just a venue that shares the Te Papa premises; no editorial or institutional mandate can be inferred from its booking. And long may THAT last. Would you really want it any other way?
I think it's pretty extraordinary to suggest that our national museum is just another venue, especially when it comes to hosting an event of this kind, that impinges on knowledge and the past.
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No, I don't have numbers and you are all making a pretty convincing case that I am wrong about this.
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I say three cheers to her for not allowing the rediculous post-modernist idea that every opinion is as valid as the next one as long as it is sincerely held act
A) It is not a postmodernist idea and B) there is nothing "postmodern" about the Truthers' approach to knowledge, quite the contrary. Here in fact I disagree with Lipstadt and with Messrs. Milkman and Rosenberg, but the threadjack would assume epic proportions so I'm just going to leave it there.
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Fair enough call, Gio -- but I still wonder whether Radio New Zealand's flagship magazine show would have felt obliged to "engage" Gage if he was "just asking questions" about whether the Holocaust had been exaggerated by "the Israel lobby,"
The very question I asked at the end of my post, and we'd do well to ask ourselves how the Truthers have managed to market themselves as inquisitve minds, people who ask honest questions. But once the cat is out of the bag - and here I agree with Deborah Lipstadt - even Holocaust Deniers must be engaged with. Here I think Te Papa made the first move, but I'm in fact about to write to Mark Cubey and confirm the timing.
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My sense is that Hill was profoundly embarrassed and a wee bit angry that her show was giving a platform to a 9/11 denier.
Personally I am FAR more upset at Te Papa. Once Gage got hold of that pulpit from which to speak unopposed (and it's worth noting that the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney had pulled out of it just last month), he simply had to be engaged more broadly in my view. And Kim Hill did a reasonable job, even though I thought she conceded some unnecessary ground by letting the nanothermite stuff just slide. But it must have been a tricky interview. As demonstrated by this from Ian
all the poor guy (Richard Gage) was doing was trying to get some questions asked
which left me completely aghast.
If like me you have a problem with Te Papa hosting Gage, you can write to Events Manager Mere Boynton, Te Papa Tongarewa, PO Box 467 Wellington, or email her at mereb (at) tepapa.govt.nz. It might take me all week to formulate the letter that is pinballing inside my head but I'm sure as hell going to.