Posts by giovanni tiso
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And sad that people have been so horrible and unforgiving.
That seems an extraordinarily poor characterisation of the tenor of the conversation in this thread.
Can't say I'm terribly impressed with the "asthetics is the only metre" argument in Scott Hamilton's post either. The Eliot analogy is just so unfit - of course if Ihimaera had processed the source material to that same extent it wouldn't have been plagiarism. It's a point that has been recognised at least a dozen times in this thread, but of course we've got it all wrong according to Hamilton.
Man, we suck.
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Yes, it's part of the university's research output.
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What isn't teaching is research - or publication, really.
Precisely. After Jolisa asked the question here I asked a friend at Victoria, and that's pretty much what he said.
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Okey dokey.
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Were a small amount of unattributed material to be discovered in a doctoral thesis, for example, the student would be required to rewrite the thesis with appropriate attribution - precisely the action Professor Ihimaera will be taking of his own volition...
A decision he took several days after the university had publicly stated that there was no problem so far as they were concerned.
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Most people don't buy hundreds of albums, though. Most people have a very... intermittent... relationship with music. They aren't completists and they don't care about the album as a 'work'. Most people just want something on in the background to hum along with, or occasionally bop about drunkenly to.
That would describe me right now. I wasn't making value judgments either, just describing my experience - that particular industry-created format suited me quite well when I was a serious consumer of music.
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Neither you nor I has any evidence about how well movies would do if released under an ITMS model. I can point to ITMS and say "The theory worked for music. In theory, it should work for movies." You point to, umm, what, exactly? You have a feeling, I get that, but what evidence?
I don't have any evidence, just concerns. Interesting to note though that Simon's experience is valuable to you whereas Peter's or Keri's isn't - could it be that it's because one supports your position, the others don't? So basically we're back to you being quite happy to letting chips fall where they may, which is less than admirable seeing as your livelyhood doesn't depend on the outcome.
What I'm saying, and it's really the extent of it, is - can we have a principled discussion, instead of just a discussion masquerading as pragmatic that is really just as ideological?
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I did answer it.
Okay, now that you answered it, can we please officially dispel the myth that nobody has made an argument for unregulated downloading? Thank you.
So, now will you answer my question?
Your position is that nothing is broken and that to the extent that it might be, it's the industry's fault for not adapting. I think the former contention is debatable, the latter is morally derelict. We're back to adapt or die, and I've explained why I'm against that too many times to go through the whole thing again.
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But why are we doing this with the advent of digital when we've not done it prior? Why introduce state support now?
Consumers make choices, that's always been the case.Consumers never had the choice to take everything for free, unless they chose to only patronise libraries, and in fact libraries compensate artists for the access given to the public.
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Yes I did, but that's because, I and many others would argue, that many people simply don't want, and have never wanted, the format, which was largely forced on them by an industry eager to maximise its profits.
Singles were readily available in my music-buying days, I might have bought a grand total of three versus hundreds of albums. It was always my choice to do so, since my favourite bands still released them. But I wanted the albums, and in fact to me that it's still the unit of music. A good album is certainly better than the sum of its parts, I'll go to my grave with that belief, much as it might have been foisted on my by the evil industry.