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Another way of looking at it is that if technologies were routinely disabled because they might facilitate infringement, we wouldn't have the internet.
That's a bit of a leap at best.
back when I originally invented the internet in the 70's I had no idea you would ever be able to send a song film or book down it. Hell it was so slow I was pleased to be able to email through unhindered.The internet would still be around it would just be different.
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I dunno, but I think what the Chinese did was quite brilliant.
still an ak punk on the inside.
slightly different scenario though. the chinese items were stolen property. I'm not sure if the gandhi ones were.
assuming legitimate ownership, how do you feel about re appropriation? -
And if they had succeeded they would have been usurping control of the CD patent from its owners.
I was more thinking the cd patient owners (is it philips and sony) should have been lobbied to no let their format be used in computers. imagine if we had weird rectangular data storage media instead of round shiny ones. they'd be incomparable, no slot on a computer to insert your cd and the whole thing might have played out differently.
The kindle thing may be a link in a chain to keep well away from the possibility that its one step closer to automated transcription of a book which is one step too close to losing control.
to read a book I have bought out loud or have someone read it to me.
I agree, it seems wrong when viewed like that but in a bigger picture I can see what might be going on and at least understand the motivation and perspective.
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the Authors' Guild to look to ensure that the very secure, DRM-happy, non-internet-capable Kindle was as appealing to consumers as possible?
I don't know why they did what they did, it seems small to me but as I said, thin edge of the wedge and as rob stowell pointed out, maybe so.
Ok, it's probably a pin-hole in the water-soluable dyke of copyright vs the digital sea.
that's bloody good that is.
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I saw an interesting article on the news today not specifically copyright but relating to culture and a societies ability to appropriate it as they seek to do with fixed term copyright lengths.
privately owned items which once belonged to Gandhi (sandles, watch pray bowl glasses etc) were auctioned for $3 million. The auction had earlier been criticised in India where many see the items as part of their national heritage and fit for a museum, not a private collection.should a nation re appropriate its perceived heritage or should they buy it?
an interesting situation. a private buyer won the auction and says he intends to give them to his country. it could have played out differently. -
apologies, my second paragraph got mangled some how.
should readif music media owners had played media player compatibility differently (ie fought to have data drives in computers not be CD compatible or in another shape or size) and sought to keep it that way, but they didn't and it was a simple process to bring music into computers which later became the gateway to open distribution.
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and if so if it was worth bothering with.
it seems such a small thing, but obviously media owners have viewed it differently and seen fit to protect all features vigorously.
if music media owners had played media player computability differently (ie fought to have data drives in computers not be CD compatible or in another shape or size) and sought to keep didn't and it was a simple process to bring music into computers which later became the gateway to open distribution.
its very interesting to see how written media play this.
national libraries have most of the worlds news papers viewable for free on line. these are not in cut and paste-able format. you can screen shot it but you can't copy the text. an interesting way to present their product which does restrict its use in a similar way to kindle t2s restricts use. -
In what way does the function breach copyright?
more to do with control of media, which relates to copyright which is to do with control of media.
I hear you on the avoiding copyright thread discussion :) -
Do you actually have anything to say about T2S on the Kindle and author royalties? Seriously.
seriously I did say something related to that discussion.
It's disappointing that you've chosen to turn it into another personal fight with you, and reading your comments its clear you are not addressing the content of what I said but merely that it was me who said them.the text to speech function on kindle is a small small thing from my perspective hardly worth worrying about, but obviously media owners see it as a thin edge of a wedge. That they have managed to get someone to disable it is impressive. its their 'DRM battle' or one of them and they achieved it successfully
As Islander has highlighted some writers have fought quite strongly to maintain control of their material in the dangerous digital world. As soon as it hits the web in an un-hindered un-control form they know they're fucked. They know it cos they've watched other media be consumed by it before.Tspoons, t shirts and live performances of their work aren't going to cut it. Its helpful to see that it won't cut it for writers and recognise that for some in music its also not an acceptable solution to their issues.
Music's fight to maintain control of its media has played out very differently and the backlash of attempts to maintain control over it have been of many orders of magnitude worse.
for you to say that's an irrelevant observation says a lot about something. I'm bored with that something, you should be too if you really want open debate on topics raised here and not just polite agreement that you are correct yet again.
To restate - my original post in this thread dealt directly with parts of this discussion as related to the overall copyright and media control debate which T2S on the kindle is related to.
it got you another 3 pages of discussion so far and Mark got pseudo angry yet again. if I really said a non event the correct response would be silence. -
many of your posts on many topics.
I've only ever contributed to music and copyright threads and one other, the veitch thing.
so I'm letting you know that you're not always alone in your thoughts.
appreciated. although I've never thought I was, there have been some brilliant insightful and well written posts by many people, who hold views that aren't polarised, they just tend to get shouted down a bit, like marks tirade above which doesn't bug me but its not a good look.
but back to topic. the writing world and they're imminent impact with digital.
at the moment we don't see to be as far along the track of righteous indignation that we have toward music and film. that's interesting in itself.
maybe the kids don't give a shit about books and that's what drove the tide against music and film and isn't driving it against books.but people here have been more respectful in discussion of copyright and book issues. why?