Posts by Peter Darlington
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(Warning: includes Lindsey Perigo.)
And Simon Sweetman :)
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Peter I think it's worth distinguishing between incitement and causation. Music/lyrics can incite but they don't cause.
Sure, and reflection, which was my main point.
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(Often when I get into a discussion on a topic like this, I type the phrase "I didn't say that" and put it on my clipboard. Then I count the number of times I have to paste it.)
Sorry, I wasn't referring to you specifically but several comments on the matter this week have referred to incitement in the music as if this has a direct correlation to the violence being perpetuated. It's vile and it doesn't help but the homophobia is deep seated and exists within a society where casual violence is commonplace.
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...as Beenie Man (what a ridiculous name)
So you only listen to artists with sensible names then?
In a genre with Busy Signal, Vybz Kartel, Spragga Benz and Red Rat, Beenie Man almost seems quaintly normal. :)
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Chuck D once stated that rap music was like the CNN for black people. It reflected what was happening in their community, the good, the bad and the ugly. What seems to have been lost in the outrage this week is that homophobia does not exist in Jamaica because Dancehall stars incite it in their lyrics, it is present in the lyrics because that accurately reflects Jamaican society.
Bob Marley held the same views, but his vision of Babylon and damnation wasn't described with quite the same specificity so he gets a minor sainthood and is one of the driving forces behind our own Maori cultural renaissance in the 1980s.
Life's weird eh?
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No offence, but: Bollocks. I get plenty excited.
I think what Simon was trying to say is that, while us rugby fans still enjoy a win plenty, you can't deny it's more of the same. Who "loves" the Tri Nations? not even the players anymore I suspect.
I would suggest the last time rugby fans got properly excited was the Lions in 2005 in the series clinching 2nd test win in Wellington. Why? It was a proper test series, it was the Lions and it really mattered.
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Peter, I declare your sentiments admirable, and sure, let the kidlet musical explorations run rampant, but I'm just saying: if mine doesn't like the Beatles, I am going to have a heart-attack-level-serious talk with him. And there may be some discussion about cutting him out of the will. ;)
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against bringing up your kids bathed in the most righteous sounds the planet has to offer, from any time, any year. Goodness knows, ours have practically lived through the Studio One back catalogue since day one! But don't restrict it to the stuff you like *only*, which is what some people I know have done.
Knowing your musical tastes Danielle, I doubt your child will be lacking for chunes, young, old and everything in between.
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It annoys me when people I know who are heavily into music almost seem hell bent on only letting their kids only have the same music that they like. People who only played The Beatles and various 60s California rock or whatever who end up with kids who listen to the same stuff and don't have any interest in their own contemporary music culture, crappy or otherwise.
I'm a total music fascist but made up my mind early on that our kids could listen to whatever the hell they wanted to. So we've been through garbage like Good Charlotte and My Chemical Romance and a host of other stuff that we didn't like, with smiles on our faces.
And ended up at Pendulum and Conchord Dawn, somehow :)
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the commentary from the 1980 European Cup Final and Ray Kennedy's winning goal for Liverpool against Real Madrid.
Doh! And when I say Ray I mean Alan Kennedy... Pretty sure Ray Kennedy was also playing.
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Re the Liverpool singing and commentary, John Peel released a Fabric Mix a few years ago and it started with the commentary from the 1980 European Cup Final and Ray Kennedy's winning goal for Liverpool against Real Madrid. The commentator goes on to talk about Kennedy coming from the North East and not being accepted initially by the Liverpool faithful, but how he'd kept in there working hard and how he'd now won the Cup for them. It's an absolutely gorgeous piece and brings a tear to the eye, both for the eloquence of the commentator and for how bad the state of commentary is in modern sports. Shame.
That Fabric Mix also has a Liverpool crowd sample of "You'll never walk alone".