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Holmes is not an apologist: he really thinks what he thinks is what ANZ thinks.
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Well, now we know what Holmes thinks eternity is.
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Yup Giovanni -the manipulation isnt rational - even if it may be conscious...do we have *so much* to learn about the ways our brains work?
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One of my family who seriously tried suicide, did so after nearly 3 years of severe clinical depression. Was on medication, had counselling, attempted other methods (like walking, and meditation)- but the depression seemed relentless. Decided to die. Hired a motel room (left lavish tip & contact details for afterwards)took sleeping pills, quite an amount of alcohol, filled bath with warm water, cut wrists-
should've worked.
By an odd set of coincidences, estranged spouse talked to workmates that same day & learned partner had not been at work, or communicating, for some time. Drove round small city frantically after partner not at home (this is before widespread cellphone useage) and noticed a familiar vehicle in motel port...
it took another loong year, with much input from whanau & hitherto estranged spouse, but the depression - went away. And there were some happy years before a terminal illness finally ended life.
The one successful suicidee - a cousin I really liked- had had an appalling childhood but had 'got over that' (his words.) Was working as an apprentice mechanic, had a semiserious partner (his words), and a car he truly loved. He drove it at over 100mph (police expert estimation) into the side of a concrete ramp in a remote area. He wasnt drunk (he hated alcohol) or drugged. He had posted a note that day that simply read "Sorry. Too much pain."
The point of these family stories is simply to tautoko Kerry - some suicides are very planned & deliberate & cause pain ever after -but that wasnt the intent- and to agree with Kracklite - there are other kind of suicide-attempts (none i te whanau) I have been quite close to, which (consiously or unconsiously - but certainly not rationally) are cries-for-help/manipulative.
Take a moment to enjoy family/friend closeness; music; food/wine(whatever!); good air - maybe it's salt? Flower-enriched?
Evening bird song. Any beauty about you. Your computer - even if it isnt a Mac :) Kia ora tatou- -
If you ever discover them Kracklite....(not holding that quintessential mortal thing here)-
Sue- I think, with severe depressive illness - in my limited experence (given that I also have trained medical people in my family)- there are *no rule-of-thumb*s-
except as a kind of initial triage-
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Kracklite, I'd suggest that mortals make the tales and the retellings thereof - but if you mean that mortals have only one fate (true:death)
but immortalise themselves (for a while, for the while their languages last) in the tales which have many origins & and divarications & random fates...hoowee! count me in, to that scenario, and who could really disagree?(rubs middlefinger ring, goes back to writing stories.)
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Kracklite- I have a ring I always wear (since nearly a quarter of a century ago.)
It is a troy ounce of pure gold.
It comes off the north shore of my local beach.
Inside, where only i can read it, is an inscription. In runes."This, too, shall pass-"
Because that's how I learned that story: an Indian king asked his advisors, "What is the perfect answer, to everything?"
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Yup Mrs Skin -you're so right - depression *is* a continium - I'm more familiar with the black hole end, but would hate to belittle anyone's experience whatsoever. And apologise, if I have-
dysthymia - hey, you get used to permanant Grey Mondays/Tuesdays/Everydays - after you work out that tht's the way life is going to be for you.
You *really* enjoy the small pleasures - and because I have limited vision, my senses of taste (Lagavulin!All fish!Tastes!) hearing (Rirerire!Tui!All music!)smell(Look at the tastes! Plus smoke - and water - yep, i can smell waters-)
are really rather acute (which might be part of the problem actually, but let's not go there.)
Let's gp to phillipmatthews - who has put the whole matter in a nutshell - and, tautoko that!
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It was the "o pity meee" thing" Mrs Skin...most (every in my experience0 clinical depressives just *cant* care about anyone (including themselves) when wanting to stop the pain-
I'm a dysthymic (it's the kind of joke end of depression - the depression you have when you arnt depressed?) and it is - just the way you are born. And it is *infinitely* preferable to any kind of mental disease.
Which depression most emphatically is.
Sue - you right. Help is out there - but some people, for a wide variety of reasons, cant access it (I'm thinking paticularly of one of my cousins, in the late 1970s, who killed herself because she was convinced someone had makutu'd her - she'd spent time in the bin - as she put it- and the drugs were less effective then, but...there are still people with her mindstance around-)
And you are absolutely right about the 'feelings & emotions that come with wanting to kill yourself" - they are terrible, corrosive (on everybody concerned) , deeply oppressive, and scarring.
I've had someone nearly die in my arms from that-thank goodness the ambulance system worked-
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People with depression, Mrs Skin, gnerally dont-