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From the DomPost: Rio forum drops Islander paper
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Talk about fighting back...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10517831
I can see where they're coming from, but how long will it be before someone does a Bernhard Goetz?
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I don't have an answer, but I suggest that it's all a rather inevitable result of everyday life in the bottom reaches of capitalism's maw. People push their own self-destruct and rage buttons when they can't find a "place to be" and are not equipped to find or make options for themselves that are hopeful or even possible.
And I think the culture warpigs would be deluded if they think the "5 C's" will solve everything: Church, (the) Cane, Curfew, Conscription, and (Gas) Chamber.
On a different note, CCTV's are proposed for Courtenay Place. But are they any substitute for cops on the beat?
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Che:
in short, fight dirty.
nothing like a decent squirrel grip or a plain old kick to the goolies to calm a bloke down.
What about spraying menthol in the offender's eyes? It's legal to purchase over the counter at the local pharmacy.
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More from Verpal Singh:
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Verpal Singh <verpalsingh@yahoo.com>
Subject: [AEN] In continuation of the small note....
To: AEN <aotearoaethnicnetwork@aen.org.nz>This morning's story in NZ Herald seems to have created the impression that the decision to complain against the police is of the "whole Sikh community" of New Zealand -- hence the following clarification.
New Zealand Sikh Society (AKL) on whose statement the Herald published the story is one of 14 (fourteen) Sikh Societies which are mandated to run Gurdwaras (Sikh places of worship) in their areas. Of these six are named NZ Sikh Society (name-of-the-city). Following is the list of all the societies managing Gurdwaras:
1. Auckland Sikh Society Inc. Gurdwara Sri Dashmesh Darbar 158 Kolmar Rd, Papatoetoe, Auckland 1701 Ph: 09-279 9888 FAX: 09-279 9889
2.Bay of Plenty Sikh Society 26 No. 3 Road, Te Puke 3071 PO Box 357, Te Puke Ph: 07-573 4204
3.NZ Guru Ravidas Sabha Inc. 1998 Great South Rd, Bombay Hill, Auckland PO Box 461, Pukekohe, Auckland 1730 Ph: 09-236 0477
4.New Zealand Sikh Society Inc. SH-1, Te Rapa Hamilton 2001 PO Box 9464, Hamilton 2015 Ph: 07-849 4952
5.NZ Sikh Society Auckland Inc. 120 Princes St, Otahuhu, Auckland 1702 PO Box 22579 Otahuhu, Auckland Ph: 09-276 9043 FAX: 09-276 9236
Gurdwara Sri Kalgidhar Sahib 70 Takanini School Rd, Takanini, Auckland Ph: 09- 296 2376
7.NZ Sikh Society (Christchurch) 55 Westgrove Avenue, Avonhead, Christchurch Ph: 03-358 7801
8.NZ Sikh Society (Hastings) Inc. 402 Eastborne Street, East Hastings 4215 PO Box 162, Hastings 4201 Ph: 06-870 7039
9.NZ Sikh Society (Palmerston North) 7 Amesbury Street, Palmerston North PO Box 982, Palmerston North Ph: 06-354 5497
10.NZ Sikh Society (Wellington) Inc. 8 Button Lane, Waitangirua, Porirua 6006 PO Box 13598, Johnsonville, Wellington Ph: 04-235 6246
11.NZ Nanaksar Thath Isher Darbar 102-104 Great South Rd, Manurewa, Auckland Ph: 09-266 3590 FAX: 09-267 2666
12.Sri Guru Singh Sabha Inc. 127 Shirley Rd, Papatoetoe, Auckland 1701 Ph: 09-277 7745 FAX: 09-277 6884
13.Tauranga Sikh Society R-41 Cheyne Road East, Oropi RD-3, Tauranga 3001 PO Box 3097 Greerton, Tauranga Ph: 07-543 4317
14.NZ Guru Ravidas Sabha Hastings Inc. 193 Havelock Road Hastings P O Box 808 Hastings
Of these societies, NZ Sikh Society (AKL) is just one. All these organisations are independent entities and do not even share a common constitution. They have their own independent organisational structure. If one was to contact any of these organisations, one will find that no one has been contacted for their views on the matter of lodging a complaint. In addition to these organisations, the following organisations do not manage any Gurdwara but work in various other fields like arts, education, family violence, etc:
1. Kuk Punjabi Samachar PO Box 200034, Papatoetoe, Auckland Ph: 09-250 4844 FAX: 09-277 0121
2.NZ Punjabi Youth 79A Park Avenue, Papatoetoe, Auckland Ph:09-278 0670; Mob: 021-552080
3.Sikh International Gurmat Trust 40 Water Street, Otahuhu, Auckland Ph: 09-276 9181
4.Sikh Naujawan Sabha New Zealand PO Box 27727, Mt Roskill, Auckland Ph: 09-620 0966; Mob: 027-484 9769
5.Sikh Religious Trust of New Zealand 48 Station Road, Papatoetoe, Auckland
6.The Sikh Centre PO Box 76730, Manukau City, Auckland Ph: 09-277 2832; Mob: 021-250 0175
All these organisations have their own membership and their own independent voice. Till last year, NZ Sikh Society (AKL) was claiming to speak for the whole Sikh community for no other reason than they "said so". Sikh Council of New Zealand was created to stop their hijacking the whole community and acting like dictators. Sikh Council of New Zealand has membership across all existing organisations -- that is, our members are also members of at least one of the existing independent organisations. The only organisation that actively opposed the formation of Sikh Council was NZ Sikh Society (AKL), specifically Daljit Singh and Manpreet Singh, as they saw it as an attack on their hegemony.
It is surprising that these guys have been able to fool the media for so long in claiming to speak on behalf of the whole Sikh community. It is quite easy to check this by calling any of the contact numbers given above and asking them whether they had any input in the claimed "community decision" to lodge a complaint against the police.
Kind regards, Verpal Singh
Chairperson, The Sikh Centre
Secretary, Sikh Council of New Zealand
PO Box 76730 Manukau City, AKLD Ph: +64 9 2772832 Mob: +64 21 2500175 Email: verpalsingh@yahoo.com -
To invoke the 8 tribes analogy, pretty Grey Lynn, whereas talkback is generally Papatoetoe.
PA System - there's a bit of Raglan and Cuba Street in there too.
Talkback - much of it overlaps with the Balclutha tribe as well.
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DeepRed
When was that posted ?
It was postmarked Tuesday night.
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Matt Poole: sounds like I spoke of the devil:
http://stuff.co.nz/707339a17217.html
Funny and scary both at once, very Spy vs Spy. David Lange's Oxford Union speech is still timely.
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Glenn P:
And it looks like the Sikhs are quite as "classy" as previously indicated in this thread and have decided to make a complaint ?
Here's a post from the NZ Sikh Society's Verpal Singh on AEN:
----------------From: Verpal Singh <verpalsingh@yahoo.com>
Subject: [AEN] Small note
To: AEN <aotearoaethnicnetwork@aen.org.nz>Through the medium of this forum, this is just to thank everyone for their support to the families at the receiving end of some callously criminal acts that have resulted in three deaths in South Auckland.
On behalf of my organisation, a small note of explanation as to why we do not advocate complaining against the police -- if a complaint is lodged against the police at this juncture it would inevitably argue that police delay caused Navtej Singh's death. This would amount to prejudging the court case against the accused by effectively saying that they were not responsible for the murder they are accused of, police was. This would possibly result in lesser charges and lighter sentences. We are very clear in our mind who caused Navtej's death -- those who entered his shop and at gun point robbed him and while leaving fatally shot him.
Any negligence on anyone else's part will be pointed out at many a juncture -- during police internal reviews; during the court case; and by the coroner's report. We request everyone (including the media) to let the processes take place as envisioned by those who put them in place, before seeking redressal for any sense of grievance against anyone.
Regards,
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Arms race, anyone?