Posts by Paul Campbell
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Remember how Watergate went down, it wasn't the break in that brought Nixon down, it was the cover up ...... watch very carefully when Key's lips move, what comes out and who's pulling the strings, it's what he does over the next few weeks that will damn him or let him go free
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Hard News: Dirty Politics, in reply to Hebe,
Got the ebook tonight. In a houseful of political junkies that is a bargain: loaded on the Kindle
I got one too - my main complaint (apart from the ... gag .... content) is that the footnotes are broken
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I bet Key was told to run that whole conspiracy theorist thing by ...... um ....... one of his senior press people ....
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Any law that requires a judge to decide how hard it was to hack a system in order to decide if it was illegal is probably fatally flawed - "oh that one was easy, it must be legal, that one was hard you did wrong. "
The law as written is written well - really it's the taking that's illegal, and the problem not so much the actual how you took it. If I leave my front door wide open and you come and take my TV it's still theft.
Rifling through the Labour party's computer was obviously illegal, even if it was easy (I don't think any of us think Slater has mad hakr skillz - apparently he doesn't know how to secure his own stuff).
But equally the people who took his emails also did something illegal too - the fact that they did this doesn't make Slater's behaviour any less illegal.
More interesting is "is it legal for Nicky Hagar to publish this stuff?" a great question - there's an obvious public interest in the existence of a crime being published - if he'd just turned the evidence over to the cops I guess it would be OK, would they have understood what it meant without his exposition?
Hagar made a great point on TV tonight - essentially his lawyer seems to think he's on safe solid ground because it's largely against the best interests of the people he's exposed to go to court and have everything exposed - which I assume means there's more stuff in the emails he wasn't comfortable publishing but would come out if they ever hit the court
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There is some indication that people in the local hacker community have also had the documents.
well then i look forward to them showing up on wikileaks .... runs off to check
.... not yet
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yes he said that when Slater was obnoxious about that kid who'd died on the West Coast, calling him "feral", someone DDOS''d whaileoil in retaliation, taking a copy of ALL their email in the process ..... some time later it was dumped in Nicky's lap and he's done the research and written a book .... seems people on the 9th floor of the Beehive have been hacking into Labour's computers and sharing the results with Slater (and vice-versa) .....
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Alan: for me it's much more of a meh, I don't personally see being silly and burning a public figure in effigy, using your own wood, on your own land, as a big deal. How is it different than a political caricature done in fire? it's not like we have a recent history of people being burned alive, the last person I can think of that comes close was Neil Roberts and that was self inflicted, or that anyone is actually threatening to set Key on fire - but as I pointed out it is part of our culture, we actually do annually burn a political figure in effigy up and down the country. I just think it's political performance art and not a big deal.
Putting a few shots through someone's electoral office - now that's a big deal
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Back in the day civil servants got 2 weeks off if they ran for parliament - $300 for 2 weeks off is a great deal - I remember us all planning on changing our names to "Rob Muldoon" and running in Tamaki
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So I'm off to Burning Man next week, will all this go postal and I'll be arrested for a hate crime at the border when I return for burning "The Man"? Will DoC go after the Kiwiburn folks for burning kiwis?
Done carefully setting fire to (your own) stuff is just a bit of fun, and practical on a cold winter's night. Demonising people who do so will have to put a final stake in that Kiwi cultural practice of burning a Catholic in effigy every November to celebrate his capture by the authorities. Burning JK in effigy is no different than a Guy Fawke's night bonfire - something that happens in just about evert small town in NZ every year.