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russell, I'm happy to discuss 'issues' between you and me off line in an effort to respect on topic discussion.
If you'd like to do that drop me an email and I'll sort a phone number and time to ring etc. -
I really wonder how much perspective you have on your own behaviour.
the same as everyone. ie their own and that of their circle of friends, and what people say here.
your use of the word behaviour is loaded and slightly offensive though. shall we just leave this alone?
its your site though. -
And yes, I do know Mark and I think you'll find he understands what I'm saying more than you give him credit for, as do many indies and artists worldwide.
I have no opinion on mark, I'm not giving him credit or not giving him credit. I think he's an intelligent guy, he's made some good points, and some terrible ones (the islander comment was jaw dropping). I could just do without the name calling as a discussion strategy device.
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Actually, he's insulted me repeatedly since he's been posting here
feeling like I have to defend myself obvious, but whats the point.
Ive raised issues with you directly and I would say them directly too you in person too regarding stuff you've said. I'm not anonymous to you. I've dealt with that and i don't want to keep going over it and yes my first responses to you could have been better put, a defensive reaction to your comments which I let get the better of me, something I haven't done in recent times.If I bump into you I will say hi and smile sincerely, I don't dislike you. I disagree with some of what you say, a small portion, all the rest of it I applaud or have no opinion on. you're a normal human being are you not?
I've personally found the middle part of this thread really interesting, in how tech deals with the great unwashed, and I was really interested in the objection to isp participation being a lot about wearing the cost and not so much about the privacy angle.
anyway this is bollocks,
I've put up with personal insults galore on here (as noted by others simon, grant etc) in honest and earnest discussion (as noted by others islander) and have avoided giving anywhere near what I've got in terms of straight out insults and name calling???. You can do what you want, its your discussion site. -
but it has nothing to with anything you are advocating Rob.
just to be perfectly clear, I am not advocating any of this, I am observing and discussing possibilities.
The laws you seem happy to go along with are just the latest stick
see above. I've said that a few times now. I'm not the one doing it, I'm observing it, contemplating the implications of it and discussing the various angles of it. as in my matter transportation illustration where I was trying to consider how we react to technology making law breaking possible outside of the present situation. That's one of the fascinating things about this whole media piracy thing is that one response has been lets just make it legal and then no ones doing anything wrong.
the latest big stick is initially was a much bigger stick, like a really really big forceful stick, but then we've just seen an attempt to feed that stick in a happy positive "we're just going to write you letters" way. That in itself shows the industry learning about the bad pr of this whole thing (another fascinating aspect of this; imagine if police had to consider PR when enforcing law, I suppose they do with drug enforcement etc but the whole lars urlich backlash thing was amazing to watch, people trying to enforce the laws granted to them and getting their heads bitten off, just shows you can't take anything for granted)
I get that you are taking the revolutionary aspect of this and I like that too, it will be interesting to just throw the whole thing up in the air and see what happens. If you were still running your indie label in auckland pumping out edgy bands with attitude you might be slightly more reserved about it, not quite at the coal face as you were and not as invested in it, lucky you. same with me to an extent, I don't earn my living from this, although I am involved in lots of projects that do revolve around it and no matter how much total income is up in the UK its not here and many of the honest and earnest key players in the local scene (mark kneebone for example who is not trying to manipulate anyone for his cut of the corporate pie, he is a completely honest and earnest guy working hard for the music he loves, I've met him) tell a different story. that's the coal face I can directly observe.
I think the isp thing was an obvious move in an attempt to control a situation.
throwing caution to the wind is less obvious but possibly a better route, who would know, its uncharted territory and different from how mankind has done business for most of the time it has existed. you can't blame 'them' for being a little hesitant. -
He did it with Russell for months, if you all remember...
I was serious about the stuff I said in discussion russell, I never said I was only joking, just that in discussion it is just that, not a fist fight and law suits.
my comment re sense of humor relates to "the oh you've insulted simon how dare you" comments. if you'll read above, apparently I didn't and he wasn't. k?
There is definitely a context to consider with all this accusation, that seems to be being forgotten by some. with every 'insult' there is a preceding insult or attitude. I don't blame you with these long threads for not getting the context of some of this stuff though, although the people involved in the discussion should fair better with that. -
YouTube settlements
yes I talked to peter about it when he was in chch.
the topic was isp level intervention. so I was confused with why the corporate crime angle was coming in.
it would be relevant if media content owners were trying to extract money from isp's for content and then not passing that on to their artists as they did with the you tube thing, but pushing isp's to filter pirated content however failed that might be isn't "the corrupt pocketing large sums" in nature, if anything it will push people back to buying media purely because they don't have the convenience of unpoliced bandwidth to grab it.
that initially will benefit the biggies obviously, but the spin off will be pressure that will trickle down,
or not depending on how much of a big failure it is. so nothing in my discussion has been about pushing artists toward evil majors.The corporates may not be pushing for the laws to help out the minions but those laws do help out the minions in trickle down, like our friend islander, who is avoiding big evils and keeping a tight rein herself.
So, I didn't say what you implied I said.if the isp move is successful in putting the shits up people with internet transferred files that'll trickle down.
I was worried about it invading my privacy but apparently that's pretty difficult and expensive to do so I guess there's no worry there. my only worry would be if I had a really high data usage and couldn't explain it. otherwise if it is as the experts say, its a bit of a non event so long as they deal with that disconnection without due process thing.the matter transporter thing was to address matthews major objection which seemed to be work load for his peers.
if your main reason for not complying with requirement of law is you can be bothered cos its a real hassle man, that's not really a strong argument.
I would have thought the invasion of privacy angle was stronger but cameron says its difficult and time consuming to look at all this shit. -
I won't. Sorry. Rob,
I was taking issue with you saying I was keen to throw people who make music to self interested corporates. I have no such interest and you know it. it was a long sentence you wrote though so maybe you meant something else, its late and I'm dealing with taxes, my reading comprehension may be off.
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All I know is - robberry has argued continuously/heartfeltly/with insider knowledge for *the rights of copyrightholders.*
thanks islander ( I do know who you are, I think)
that's the fun thing about discussion, if there's no one arguing the opposite point of view its the sound of one hand clapping. -
Rob doesn't have the balls to try this shit on in the real world, cos he'd end up sitting on his own real fast
grow up man, I'm very open and vocal about my opinions and always have been, (go back and read that article you outed me from) and am happy for everyone else to be as well. its nothing to do with balls, its to do with having an opinion.
let simon speak for himself, he's got a thick skin and a sense of humor,
or at least that is my impression of him from the time I've known him.
stick to the topic.