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WTF? How are usage meters going to solve anything?
its not going to solve anything.
its going to give a first indication of biggest downloaders be they of pirated material or legitimate. why would you say wtf to that. its obvious. -
And they would have to do this for every file that fits the profile.
obviously you're a good law abiding citizen who doesn't hang out at bit torrent sites but the reality is that most movies are ripped by a handful of 'scene' people who tag their name on the file, axxo, fxg etc,
as opposed to thousands of rips of the each movie there are really only a few that are shared massively.
go to a torrent search site and type in any recent movie. its multiple instances of the same file.
identifying those files which would be 90% of movie piracy would be a relatively small part of the work. getting the other 10% would be massive. applying it to music, even worse. -
if internet providers are forced to be involved in tracking pirated material, how do you see that playing out.
What could be done based on what we (you) know.what are the advantages.I'll start.
- usage meters.and.....
.....if you really didn't give a rats arse you wouldn't have even commented on it.....Why would I use my full name? its the internet, full of freaks. you have had experience on the internet haven't you? scary angry dudes like you hang out there.
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So you're just going to have to accept that your idea is not feasible, technically or economically.
firstly not my idea,
secondly, you seem to think success for media content owners is 100% ceasation of all traffic of pirated material. do you see traffic cops pulling over ever single instance of speed violation?
its not the point, the point is to put in a deterrent where at present there is none.
It is completely feasible to find instances of copyright violation right now, and with access to IP records track and 'warn'.
ip records would also show who's a high volume user.
all that is 'feasible'. Yes?Just because it happened with one file doesn't mean you can extend the example across the entirety of the net.
did I say that? I noted it as an example and I also noted compressed files need all parts, so for someone who 'doesn't know about this stuff' I pretty much said what you said but I said it first.
why don't you outline just for interest and arguments sake what you with your superior knowledge think would happen in the event of access being granted at ip level? what advantages might that get for media owners?
you seem to be inferring none,also, thanks for your backgrounder too, even with that I've never heard of you, but I have heard of simon grigg. he used to run dance parties or something.
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And I'm not going to bother wasting the electrons trying to explain to someone who actively ignores what they're being told.
well true, you are wasting "electrons" cos you're 'telling' me without any grounding, or proof of your argument. what's you're experience in isp level data analysis again, or in the use of bit torrent or anything that allows you to say something with such authority?
I've clearly demonstrated that I can find details about who is sharing files that are labeled 'xxxx.avi'
sure we don't know that they are xxxx.avi, so download the fucker, everyone's doing it, its not hard. if it turns out to be xxxx.avi and you logged their ip address as sharing xxxx.avi then you've got a hit haven't you. that's pretty damn simple isn't it and it hasn't even required you to inspect packets or anything else that having access at isp level might allow you to do.Vuse gives you all kinds of info. a regular human wrote that program, I'm guessing with some nice cold hard movie industry spare change they could find a programmer who could write a program to analyze anything the wanted to, even if it required them to download the odd gig or 5000.
So hold off on the you're so dumb I'm so smart angle and lay down the cold hard facts in writing. if you are a programmer working at the required level the explain using examples your argument, if not, then concede to the valid points made. if you haven't got vuse, download it, its free and load in a torrent and have a look at the info available in the program. its pretty interesting.
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Yes.
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would.mark
just having a look through the info stats available in the Azureus/Vuse bit torrent program.
when set in the advance user mode you can double click on a file you may or may not be downloading, then go to peers and it will list the ip address of the people who have that file available and which bits of it they have if not all of it.
That's quite a lot of info available already, all of that stuff just floating around on the net.
If I can harvest ip addresses of people sharing copyright material its not going to be too hard for anyone else to is it. -
Get over yourself, rob.
haha @ mark.
that charge didn't go so well
If I spoke geek in my daily life I'd probably..... nah actually name calling doesn't really effect me on any level.
I'll be your troll if youll be my little goblin. can't say fairer than that
lest we forget - 3 months on my sides still hurtbut seriously though mark, if you've got the experience and knowledge in data analysis at isp level please do share it, in detail.
have a look at some of the data vuse offers in advance mode.
if you're arguing that access at isp level won't have any effect ..... please continue. I'm all ears
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that you actually have the slightest clue how BT works
which is why we need an expert like you to lay it out in black and white for me. See my only experience with it is this friend of a friend who uses that software and its what he tells me happens.
apparently when downloading a movie file if the source file is a non partitioned archived file ie a straight avi it is playable as soon as the first part of the file is intact. if its a partitioned archived file then you have to download all the parts to un compress it.
my 'friend' knows this cos apparently he's downloaded a video once and dragged it onto his movie player and it played, just the first bit, and was garbage in the bits that weren't there. he did this mad thing cos he wanted to know if he was downloading a legit file or a bogus one.but anyway, back to you, you tell us all how we're invisible and untouchable and we'll go with what you say.
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It seems you've gone 180 on this now Rob...that exactly is the point. I do not want people restricting what I do with the music I've bought,
jeez simon, I'm trying to work here and you keep distracting me. just cos you live in a tropical paradise doesn't mean we can all lie around spitting out posts on our laptop.
you know full well the point of DRM is to restrict unauthorised copying, ie they sell the music to you, not you and 50 of your friends. that's the concept behind it but itunes and zune and a bunch of other pie hungry fingers have complicated it beyond the simple task of one purchaser one owner. the intent is not to stop you enjoying it, its to stop people who haven't legally paid for it owning it.
That they have failed to create a system which implements this simple concept properly and that people like russell make a big stink about it in public instead of working toward a feasible and working solution is the reason we're all going to get our asses probed at isp level. There's no excuse for not seeing that one coming,
What did you think was going to happen, we all give our music away while getting jobs lecturing in radio at birmingham university to pay for it? -
It seems you've gone 180 on this now Rob...that exactly is the point. I do not want people restricting what I do with the music I've bought,
jeez simon, I'm trying to work here and you keep distracting me. just cos you live in a tropical paradise doesn't mean we can all lie around spitting out posts on our laptop.
you know full well the point of DRM is to restrict unauthorised copying, ie they sell the music to you, not you and 50 of your friends. that's the concept behind it but itunes and zune and a bunch of other pie hungry fingers have complicated it beyond the simple task of one purchaser one owner. the intent is not to stop you enjoying it, its to stop people who haven't legally paid for it owning it.
That they have failed to create a system which implements this simple concept properly and that people like russell make a big stink about it in public instead of working toward a feasible and working solution is the reason we're all going to get our asses probed at isp level. There's no excuse for not seeing that one coming,
What did you think was going to happen, we all give our music away while getting jobs lecturing in radio at birmingham university to pay for it?