Posts by Rich Lock
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to 3410,
We all have our moments.
Yep, don't sweat it.
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Hard News: We interrupt this broadcast ..., in reply to Steve Barnes,
Labour can sort themselves out when we have got rid of National, don't you get that?
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me through several electoral cycles, implementing lite-blue policies when in power, and when out of power consistently failing to sort yourselves out internally, shame on....?
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Well, if performance art is inclusive of putting words in my mouth that I never said, then you're all that and more.
This thread was originally about the Libz. It's morphed into an art thread. My contributions so far amount to admitting I liked 'Battlefield Earth' when I was 15, noting that similar ground was covered on this forum 18 months ago, and explaining several times that if someone else likes something that I don't, and vice versa, then that's fine and dandy and doesn't on my part imply a value judgement. Also, by implication, that there's no obligation on my part to like something that I simply....don't.
mutter mutter imply something about effete snobs
Words coming out of your head, not mine, mate.
If all that has somehow contributed towards you starving in a garret, then I'm sorry. But you wouldn't be the first.
And, sarcasm aside, I sympathise. I'm not of a creative bent, but I'm married to someone who is, who has struggled for 14 years to get the recognition she should be due, and is only now starting to see hopeful signs.
It's the way of the world. The mountain doesn't have an obligation to come to Mohammed.
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Oh, and feel free to say rude things about my tastes in music all you like. I've had 25-odd years of it, so the calluses are reasonably thick by now.
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Exactly what it says.
If I like something, I don't want (care) to have to waste my life justifying that liking to someone, and I don't care if they actively dislike it. If they disagree, then they can go and commit a crime of performance art on themselves. Or not. It's up to them.
If they like something that I am indifferent to, like chamber music, for example, I'm not going to get all up in their grill about what a waste of time it is for them to like it. Each to their own, I knows what I likes and I likes what I knows, etc, etc, etc.
If you want to talk about the definition of art, on this forum, with other like-minded individuals, then go for your life. But I'm simply not interested enough in exploring the question to participate.
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to DCBCauchi,
I get the impression that neither Rich nor Ben want to talk about anything to do with art in case someone says rude things about the kind of music that they like.
And, in my case at least, you'd be wrong.
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to BenWilson,
It seems more likely, the more refined the tastes of the person.
More likely, yes. But ideally it doesn't have to be that way. Why sneer at Macca's because you like fine gourmet dining? Or Lady Gaga because you're into The Pixies? Surely that which you don't like is simply an irrelevance? No-one forces me to eat, or listen to, either of them.
Admittedly it's harder to make it irrelevant if it's a large part, or forms a piece of, the overall cultural landscape: black-eyed peas at the rugby, rugby itself for those who have no interest in it (or soccer in the UK), the comings and goings of various slebs. But it's still possible to minimise contact or involvement, especially in the internet age, where the sites you visit or the links you click on are your choice - there's no fixed menu any more.
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to DCBCauchi,
This thread.
http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2382/?p=158527#post158527
The discussion got rather overheated.
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This discussion may be veering dangerously towards the same subject matter as The Great PAS Art War of 2010.
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Cracker: Spotted, in reply to Sacha,
Right up there with L Ron Hubbard.
Hey, Battlefield Earth was a cracking good read when I was 15.
Yeah, I've read it. Out and proud, man, out and proud. Don't lay your societal hangups on me.
Which neatly brings me to...
I always feel isolated in those kind of discussions, expecting at any moment that people will work out I like the wrong kind of music or TV shows, have the wrong taste in books, etc.
The older I get, the less I care (in all senses) for other peoples implicit or explicit judgement on my tastes. Very happy to find common ground, lowbrow or high, leftfield or centre ground. But other peoples value judgements on those things we don't have in common are not welcome.