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That,s all really.Creativity for me is not about protection.
but you wouldn't deny protection to those who did need it?
its often mis read that stronger copyright means everyone is going to enforce their tighter controls over their work, and lets face it most creative types are kinda .......cruisy as a sector of the population.
there's nothing stopping artists from making their stuff freely available now, you don't have to enforce your copyright, but for those who need or want to the law should back them up.
its cool you're generating enough to get by on from what you do, but what say things change and people who copied your work are undercutting you and you're going out of business and they're getting by now on the strength of the ideas they took from you. are you going to want your rights then?
I'm not sure how rules work with copying a product and re-manufacturing it as opposed to directly duplicating an musical or film idea, where its easy to identify what has been taken.
maybe your jewelery isn't sufficiently different to enact some kind of restriction on others. hard to say. but ..... maybe you know more about that sort of thing for your field? -
I reckon jon could copyright that. ;)
he could have if mark hadn't already sampled it and released it under his own name as an original work. now the onus is on jon to prove he came up with it first and that mark willfully plagerised,
sofie, nice of you to join us. it was getting a bit male in here.
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Perhaps we need to close out the thread.
you started off so well (9 tenths of the way through the convo), and then you went all abstract on us jon.
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I smell drugs
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but you seem to be stuck to the concept that piracy is definitely doing dreadful damage to the music industry. You state it as fact, but don't produce the numbers to back that up.
Simon produced real world examples and you ignore them."sorry mate, i know you SAY you're in a hurricane but until its written in an article I'm afraid I can't acknowledge your plight"
even better examples, your friends and possibly (most likely) even yourself if you're honest enough, all of em if they know how to use a computer and can easily do it without repercussions are grabbing albums they would have bought to hear even if they ended up selling em to the deceased corpse of real groovy, if you're honest enough to deal with that fact.
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Why should they?
meaning does your imaginary institute of nails association of new zealand (come on steve, you can do better :)) own the copyright for nails. and if not then there is no issue. make your own nails if you wish. If they did hold a copyright on it in your imaginary world, then you would be liable for the breech of patent. note you're talking patent, which is different from copyright.
but this line of thinking has been dug over and debunked up thread extensively so there really is no point in re hashing it.
see a few pages back for simons workings on the house example. -
where once they would have listened to a much wider range because the outlets
my personal findings on this have been completely the opposite. people are more open to a wider range of sounds now, and 25 years ago were even more niche in their tastes.
I know I was.
a lot of the kids I come across are into indie and durm and bass and a bit of retro and a bit of etc. That would never have happened around me in my circle 25 years ago. -
"nail manufactures association" have a right to charge me for the use of a concept?
do they own the patent for nails as granted to them by law?
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Robbery's concept of longer periods of copyright seems, to my mind, to negate the "public good"
a key part of my point is what has public good got to do with it if you don't apply it equally to all areas of your society.
reclaiming oil reserves would help the public good but we don't see that happen much now do we.
There's lots of things we could do to benefit our society at the expense of the individual but that's not the structure we live under right now, well most of us don't, just creatives and people who's work you can relieve them of easily with little or no chance of repercussions. -
If you can't prove your point, stop making it.
Simon has proved his point. He's stated real world examples of piracy around him, and that attitude that allows it to expand, ie the poeple doing it don't even think they're breaking a law, simpley because it is so far from ever being enforced. and I've stated a few real world examples directly relating to me which you've also ignored.. Aside from it is kinda spooky to find a pirated copy of your own music in a new female acquaintances cd stash the fact of that is that she didn't see what was wrong with it. you'll argue well maybe shed never have bought it anyway, and I'll argue that the fact that she had a copy in her home indicates she would, if she couldn't have easily taken it.
needless to say I dumped her and stole an equivalent in jewelry and petty cash. (kidding!!!!!!)