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AK 79 live (x3)
$62 a gig, probably realistic and compares to a theatre ticket which is probably pretty close to what you'll be seeing :)
$21700 per gig split between bands, players, venue, ticket agents and production costs.
I'd like to see someone in chch or dunners try that price.
are you going to wear your bondage trousers and torn jacket or would that be just weird? -
what cost you $195 sofie?
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You seem to have the impression that if someone plays music then they have a right to get rich.
nup, pretty sure I didn't say that anywhere in my posts, no comments about getting rich the pursuit of getting rich or anyone who has got rich. the word rich may well not be in my list of words I use when talking about music. it kinda seems irrelevant.
my angle is more, if someone puts on a show, and people attend said show, then it is a good to aim for a cover charge spread across the members of the public attending that will cover the costs of putting on said show. just basic economics really.
That it is harder to do that the further south you go is an interesting observation don't you think. probably has to do with the level of income dropping down there and maybe the less cosmopolitan nature of the population.
hence people in japan or london pay a shit load for a cab, in chch or dunners, you try and walk it.
bigger distances I know but you get my point. the do it yourself attitude plays large in it I'm sure. I can't bring myself to fork $25 for a cab ride. $25 seems a lot for a gig, knowing the budgets to put these things on it isn't, but it seems it. you see what I'm saying?and tell me bout these local bands making money. do you see the making money part as equating to they played for 3 hours and got $75 so they're raking it in, cos you have to factor in rehearsal, travel etc to come to an actual income to expenditure figure.
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Aren,t they advertising?
yep, posters are really expensive to up up these days. something like $1.50 per A3 and a lot more for bigger sizes. that's more than it costs to print them but if you don't pay the poster cartels your poster is wiped out.
If they get out there, tell the paying public what they are up to, give a good performance, please the crowd (hopefully more than 1) , mention their latest cd,
yes to all of that but the one factor you're not taking into account is we are cheap arse as a nation and more so the further south you get. ask any touring band about the people in dunedin arguing over a $5 cover charge. pretty bad in chch too. much better in wellington where they're more used to a higher charge to cover better production standards. AK may have the guest list the length of your arm problem.
compared to other nations the UK routinely has cover charges of 5- 8 pound for low level gigs ($15 - $24)
Japan has similar or higher. A 4 band sampler night of nobodies (of which I was one) had a cover charge of about nz$40. This is completely standard and relates to say a play with multiple live performers and production costs.
Here we will argue tooth an nail about it, fight for our right to free, add to that a tiny touring circuit of 4 main cities and a max of not much more if you do the smaller towns and there isn't a positive spin you can put on it.so show the love to those artists playing the reforms. that's their actual payment, the appreciation of the people who remembered their music and told them they done good by coming back to see em.
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And those are the ones I admire, so maybe that is the whole point? RESPECT
you admire people who get shafted?
I get the whole support the underdog thing but wow, I don't know that I'd want to pay the entry fee to join that club, not that I don't seek you're admiration but, .......surely there's an easy way of getting it??? -
And aren't they also reforming because their audience has money now?
did you miss my bit about how they're not seeing a dime of anything?
I know this cos I was responsible for a good 3 reforms in the last couple of years and all of those reforms cost the band members money in travel or accom/food.
they all did them for reasons completely separate from money. none of em thought they were going to see any cash, just hoped it would come near breaking even. which they did, sort of.headless chooks aren't doing it for the cash, although they're pretty careful to not be paying to play either, cos they're skint so that really isn't going to work is it?
i'd say its got a lot to do with reclaiming former glory and the pleasure in playing songs that have developed in their absence.
absolutely nothing to do with the speculated well drying up form cd sales. infact I think the above mentioned band managed to break even on their project costs a mere 10 years after the band split. ie they never made a dime till 10 years after and there wasn't much coming down the pipe by then.
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I thought "Yup, time to go back to work, (free) lunch is over.
you think they're reforming to make money? hahahahaha, good one.
They're reforming cos they've gone through the mid life crisis and are looking for what made their lives valid when they was youff.
They're als reforming cos a lot of their old audience are pining for the hey day when their favourite bands were largely unheralded and the passage of time has seen their recognition grow,I present example 1 - straitjacket fits.
example 2 -ak 79 reforms.none of these people will be making money.
The police and steely dan might be though.
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because we all have choice but if you are just plain simple good, it would not be necessary to claim " this (insert whatever here) is about me"
histories riddled with stories of the simply good who got shafted.
I think that's why society, which is striving for equality and fairness creates these laws.
law of the jungle is the fittest, cunninest and the person prepared to be the most fucked and get away with it prospers, law of modern society is we look after out sick and aged, and protect those who need protecting regardless of who they are, or that's the theory behind it. I kinda like the concept. helps me sleep easier at night. -
you keep singing the same song,
I'm with jon on this one, I don't do the singy thing.
I would be able to unload the next lot of ideas and probably get a better sleep
way to side step an easy question sofie. I got to use that technique myself, hang on, I just did it above. brilliant :)
I was testing your empathy sofie and you answered about yourself, which is cool in its own way I guess.
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See that is where I just dont fit in.
why do you have to fit in?
can it not be "C'est la Vie" for you and "I need to pay for what it took for me to create this for someone else. you don't have to fit in but others shouldn't have to fit your mold either.
live music for you, (not jumping the fence etc) and recorded for someone else who doesn't like crowds.
a different set of rules for the product your consuming and you'll be able to understand the costs involved in a live gig and realise if you do jump a fence that you're making it just that much harder for the artist you "support" to come back with more (and fuel their drug habit which may or may not contribute to their creativity which you may or may not like)its cool that you don't feel the commercial imperative to have to stake out your turf, but some do.
I guess the question is, even though you're sweet in your situation are you cool with others who need the protection of copyright and do you see their side and support their argument?