Posts by Lucy Stewart
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to B Jones,
Me, I prefer to reject the category than argue about what belongs in it or not.
This. Yes. The argument, in the end, gives it validity. Which isn't what's needed at all.
(Signing off for the night now, folks. Have...fun.)
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Would anything a girl wears ever be unacceptable to you? Because to me it seems like a sliding scale of acceptabtility.
The phrase you're actually looking for there, Tess, is "slippery slope". We wouldn't want to mess up the bingo scoring.
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Craig Ranapia,
You have time share my next kitteh – which I intend to select on the basis of pure evil.
Awwww, Craig, you're such a sweetheart.
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
That’s fair. But do you think it’s possible?
It is if we start by not telling them that if they wear short skirts they’re really telling all the boys they want them, which inevitably leads to sex and regret. Or perhaps by not telling them that it’s their job to not be “provocative”. You know. Small steps.
I’m just popping out to get Lucy a pony.
I can't have a dragon instead? *looks hopeful*
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Okay, do people here think that short skirts on teenage girls are NOT regarded by society as sexually attractive/suggestive?
We think, I'm pretty confident in asserting, that it's neither helpful nor useful - for the girls or society - to reinforce the conviction that what women wear is a guide to their sexual availability.
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Emma that was a general question and was not meant to be specific to anyone.
No-one was shocked, so you're asking why everyone is shocked. Ah. Logic.
But in certain contexts short skirts are a social signal of sexuality.
So teenage girls should be discouraged from wearing short skirts just in case it's sexual? Which is, of necessity, bad, because teenagers shouldn't have sexuality.
Right.
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Why is it so shocking to observe that human animals send sexual signals to one another?
Again with the strawmen - it's not. It's tiring to assume that a) teenage girls' skirt lengths directly and exclusively correlate to trying to get boys to look at them, b) that this will lead to sex and c) sex is bad. It's a chain of very bad assumptions supporting a worse conclusion, to wit, that it's okay to scold teenage girls for their skirt lengths because it will stop them engaging in sex. And you have yet to provide any actual support for that notion.
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
I think we should encourage teenagers to wait until they are adults before having sex because with sexual activity comes adult consequences.
And the relation of this viewpoint to the length of their skirts, or calling them sluts, is....? You're putting a lot of effort into this particular strawman, but it's still made of straw.
(Also not seeing the connection between you having sex at 14 and it not ruining your life and your assertion that short skirts lead to ruin.)
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Up Front: That's Inappropriate!, in reply to Tess Rooney,
My point is here: short skirts
Oh, yeah, that’s right: one day skirts above the knee, the next day SEX. Because sex, ladies and gentlemen, is BAD. Teenagers having hormones or feeling sexual attraction? BAD. Girls who want to attract “male attention”? They need help. Or they might feel like people with sexual feelings and agency! Which is BAD.
I can think of lots of ways to dissuade teenagers from sexual activity that they’re not ready for (and yes, that’s an important caveat) and slut-shaming? Reeeeeeeeeeeally not one of them.
ETA: And, as Emma says, you're assuming that how they dress is all about men, to start with. Which is a little....reductive.
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I could have told my 14-year-old daughter that she shouldn’t go out to a dance half-naked because guys would think she looked like a streetwalker and treat her accordingly. I was her father and we were very close and I worried about what might happen to her.
Oh, so it's okay to implictly call your daughter a whore if you're very close! I'm so glad to have that sorted out. I was under the mistaken impression it was never okay.