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Through due process would be best.
perfect,
(next sentence not in reference to you russell)
so can we stop demonizing creative types now, bite the bullet and get a workable solution for all involved. -
robbery - that is very clear.
finally, thank you.
yes I will say that to her.
I've met her before, and have her email.That said I do expect to get stopped in my downloading of copyright material. section 92a should say "disconnected on demonstration of proof". How they get that proof is another matter which is where the whole invasion of privacy bit comes in and no one wants to think about that but they should.
I get the feeling that some people want to offer creatives as a sacrificial lamb in order to maintain their own convenience. That's not doing anyone any favours and doesn't solve anything.
I guess we all could get real jobs though, Islander, how are you at making salads? -
yeah, nice link but where does it say prosecution without proof?
read it all if you want but I think you'll find it doesn't.
I'll highlight that key term there again for you
prosecution "without proof"
something no one has said is a good idea. are we clear on that or do you still want to keep arguing that creative types want that. -
Yes you have, both here and on other threads where DRM has been discussed.
ok you show me the bit where it says anyone here is pushing for prosecution without proof.
What else should I read into this statement:
ah, well there's your problem right here don me old cheese. you've been reading shit into someones simple wish to have people leave their work alone.
keri not wanting people to take her characters and put them on a space ship shooting a porn movie seems like a pretty reasonable request to me, i'm not sure why you'd want the right to do that.
That is certainly what mark has been saying he should have the right to do. many people on this list have said.... why? (rob stowell, keir, me, kyle etc etc). its seems you desire control of other people stuff, where as other people just want to be left alone. what does that say about you?How that "control" has been enacted in legislation is invidious.
yeah, I read those bits. the old evil giants bit. having worked in this industry for a while I've never met one in this country. I have read about them overseas but your argument is based on fear of things that people hold up as shocking examples. no label owner in nz is like that and I know many of them. when you push for rules that aim to constrict the perceived evil based on part fact and part myth you constrict everyone, including the bulk of the standard real people out there. this has been pointed out before but not sunk in.
Except that is not what was said, by Mark. Jesus, now only "famous" people are allowed a say.
mark is famous. he's the guy that told the world famous author they should have thought of a better career than writing cos of the country they live in and that this country owes her nothing. that is famous. I can't wait to see what he's going to say to that guy "p jackson".
but more importantly don, even with your dour sense of humor, surely you can see the funny side of that, I had tears of laughter rolling down my face from that. -
Now a little something from Peter:
I hope you're not lumping me, simon, Keir, islander, or anyone else who has spoken for artists in with a move to prosecute without proof anyone. no one here has argued that.
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I don't think Simon has been trying to hand our arses on a plate.
of course not, but he did reign a few people in on some very clear and proven points through real knowledge.
You know what they say about old dogs. You are failing your industry, robbery.
gee don, you're a real charmer.
I'm not sure why you've been so offended by creatives pushing for more control over their works. I've said I can understand it and have compared it with other examples in the real world. This seems to have deeply offended. All I can say is I'm sorry, I'm just saying how I feel honestly.I've gone back and re read som of the earlier pages of this discussion which I had to skim and I'm really glad I wasn't the guy who told the internationally acclaimed award winning author of the bone people essentially to get a real job. That's got to cause pangs of embarrassment for years to come. classic, you couldn't make that shit up if you tried :)
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you really couldn't give a damn about the result.
where'd you pull that from. apparently I clearly could give a damn about the result, and I've stated what I think that result should be, and i've actually got something invested in said result.
And what you've consistently failed to acknowledge is that I have no interest in taking away any rights that accrue to you now.
so you're not for shorter copyright terms, reduced artists control over their works etc?. if so I apologize. I got the impression from the way you had a go at Keir, simon, and myself that your agenda was the opposite of what we've said, but maybe you were just fucking with us for shits and giggles.
mark, don, lyndon , and robin seem to have a tenuous grasp on the machinations of music production and distribution. you've all said as fact things that quite clearly aren't true, and simon or myself would know that being the only 2 people engaged in this discussion that actually have worked in that industry for over 25 years.
you keep shouting how you've shown me or one of the others to be wrong, but you haven't proven anything. you've just said your piece as you have a right to do, but it doesn't make it fact.
all good fun though isn't it?
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We've pointed out how you're wrong many times lately.
with all due respect robin, you've had your ass handed to you on a plate. by simon through superior knowledge and skill with words.
I haven't seen any clear 'right' put forward by you mark or don.
interesting discussion though. glad to see it talked about in a public forum.
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Rob that's not a good way of ensuring a respectful conversation, surely.
be fair sasha, marks hardly been the pinnacle of respect and I did say fucking with him a little on saturday, ie the trent reznor bit, and even that had a point to it.
I've taken a few less than fair comments in a good natured way, surely team freeload can do likewise?
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So, art forms that you approve of are fine, but not others? Just because you don't consider it creative or interesting means that it isn't worth creating?
art is completely subjective. but that's not the point I'm addressing.
as far as copyright infringement through sampling goes it isn't necessary, and the arguments for infringement are purely economic.there could be a certain punk ethos to that ie reclaiming music for everyone, but its a little different to picking up a guitar and making noise.
I understand you like that stuff and that's fine, and surely I'm allowed to not like it, and give my reasons which are relevant to this convo.
a lot of artists wanting certain vintage sounds are now opting to create them themselves and avoid the whole clearing samples thing. I guess that shows its not so hard after all.
I have no problem with referring to past works,
a point you my not know is that in classical music it was common to write new works based on themes in other writers works.