Thank you. What I feel, but more eloquently and clearly expressed .
Intelligence. Kindness. Compromise. All essential in political discourse ( and human relationships)- and sadly lacking in the"gotcha!", Trumpian, click-bait driven MSM environment in which we live.
Kia ora Russell (and Toi)
Really sad to hear this is ending- it's is one of the few programmes I make sure I watch each week. It is set to record, but usually I cannot wait so, watch as its screens..
I always watched media 7 too; and Take was a welcome and positive development In the media landscape. Toi has always provided a fresh, insightful and often very dry but witty voice that is sorely lacking from most broadcast tv.
I hope something similar can be hauled from the ashes - you have entertained and informed so well for so long, and the end leaves a huge void in our public discourse.
Thank you both( and thank you to your "unseen"Colleagues who, as you rightly note, have contributed so much).
So yeah, the Greens can cry me a river if they want any sympathy or even a bit of understanding. They gambled on a particularly craven stunt of political betrayal to try and win the day, and they lost hard and in being so inept they’ve also damaged the wider chances of the centre left of gaining power in six weeks.
I really don't think it was craven- "contemptibly lacking in courage". I think it was a genuine attempt at raising an issue, and was the opposite of craven. It was personally courageous of Metiria given there was always going to be some personal attack- even if, as the over the top reactions by some means it was perhaps politically naive. And sadly, many of us on the left have been co-opted to the chaos around it all- the perceived need to defend (or attack) keeps feeding the beast.
The good news stuff for Greens would seem to be the policies around transport that labour have now adopted (light rail), the Nats now talking about improving Water quality (whether or not the policy is significant enough), and that welfare and Poverty is (or was) being seen as an important election issue. (These are all things the greens - and on poverty, Metiria especially has been doing this for years- have been pushing well before the election campaign and they have shifted the discussion in those directions.
I’d say the “chaos” is mostly being perpetuated by people shouting “chaos”. Some of them (like Patrick Gower) have a vested interest in the “chaos”. (As I commented upthread, I don’t think Metiria handled it well, but I don’t feel the need to repeat that opinion daily as some kind of substitute for actual news).
Absolutely agree- and to further highlight how a very hostile and lazy media are trying to perpetuate the "chaos" message, Duncan Garner on tv3 is just about to come back with "another candidate resigns- more on the chaos". This echoes a totally dishonest "fake news" approach to the news hutt candidate "Suzanne Ruthven is stepping aside. Stuff front page got into "more problems for Greens"- when all it is someone who was not likely to be elected (24 on the list) who has a job she needs to start. Paddy Gower now spinning that it _not_ being a deal to clear the way for labour shows how bad things are for labour and the greens.
I have just come from a meeting of about 6 people (all of us 50+ years old - well, Me in a month) where the labour leadership stuff came up in discussion beforehand. 3 thought that at the time ( Tuesday) it was a bad move by labour to change leader right now. All three of them now think it was the right thing to do,and said how things have energised as a result. 2 of them were just thrilled immediately that Jacinda was the new leader. One person said they have not voted In the past two elections, that they weren't impressed with "the young one" but thought "that kelvin seems pretty good" and say they are likely to vote this time as a result.
Jacinda Ardern and Kelvin Davis have both shown there willingness to represent those without the power to even vote. Davis has been defending the rights of prisioners. Ardern has a reputation for speaking for the rights of the child.
good point. I have been a bit uncertain about Kelvin Davis (not exactly sure why), but his work on prisoner rights has been admirable, and has made me warm to him a bit. Not necessarily a popular issue to go with, but an important one that deserves credit.
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It really is- and may end up being the most significant aspect of this change today. He also said, according to the Herald,
"Maori Party President Tukoroirangi Morgan immediately called for Ardern to be more open to working with the Maori Party than Little was.He said Maori around the country were saying they wanted the Maori Party to side with Labour if it was in a position to form a Government.
"We've always said we'd work with both sides, blue or red, but Andrew Little killed off any hope of that happening when he closed the door on us.
"We're hoping Jacinda and Kelvin won't be as closed minded and that they’ll agree to work with kaupapa Māori."Little had described the Maori Party as at the back of the cab rank for Labour because of its nine years working with National.",
bit of a challenge though, with Kelvin Davis running in Te Tai Tokerau, and Hone and the the Maori party having an accommodation I think?
one of the beauties of these types of lists is that it gets people posting other stuff that "should be on the list"
RNZ did leave open the prospect of further rounds.
Will be good to see where the list leads. I like their approach of each woman nominating another (the "daisy chain of nominations")- it has meant it is very much oriented towards "current" guitarists, but cool that the discussion of the list reminds us of the generation before ( Many of whom are of course still playing).
“She will rock you: NZ female guitarists that rock”
Where’s Kaye Woodward from The Bats & Minisnap ?
Yes indeed! one of the beauties of these types of lists is that it gets people posting other stuff that "should be on the list".
You have helped set my listening for tonight.
I would also add in Sandra Bell's "Industrial Night" for some good noisy guitar.
Here is a link to quite a cool piece from RNZ on women guitarists, called "She will rock you: NZ female guitarists that rock"