Field Theory: Cancellation Notice
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OTOH, maybe there is some of this
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"You people are bastards because that's what you people do! I'm gunna go home and I, and I'm gunna bite my pillow!"
LOLnui.
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It's going to be a long year-and-a-bit if people spend it complaining about the Rugby World Cup. It's weird how reflexively negative some of my friends are about it.
Russell: I'm in a state of Zen-like indifference about the Rugby World Cup itself. (And if that makes me a bad unpatriotic Kiwi, well you can easily guess which finger I'm rigidly extending right about now.)
But if you don't mind, I'm going to keep bitching about local and central government politicians who think "Rugby World Cup" is some Hogwarty incantation that compels everyone to stop asking uppity questions about what the hell they're doing with public money. I'll accept that paying my taxes and the rates are a necessary evil; but when my employees are spraying around corporate welfare -- and too often doing it without proper scrutiny or due process -- I've got a very big problem indeed.
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It's also about art v public libraries, etc. Why is the Cuba carnival more important than books for all?
Not to mention facilities such as public toilets.
The erection of those horrid photo-frames on Courtenay Place - well, not so much the frames, but what they have been filled with so far - shows that the WCC does a great job of giving funding to people to hold art and culture events, but can't do it themselves at all!
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What Craig said about the RWC. With bells on.
Isn't the last line of the article that Hadyn linked to just adorable?
Joe Lindsay, trombonist for Fat Freddy's Drop, which played some of the earliest carnivals, said the cancellation was a "stink buzz" as the carnival was "choice".
How nice of the Dominion to ask the opinion of little children, for a change.
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incantation that compels everyone to stop asking uppity questions about what the hell they're doing with public money
this is the thing, innit?
you would think that the CCC was the business-as-usual activity and the RWC would be some kind of "exception" funding, but apparently we're all so swept up in seeing minnows playing at the cake tin that we we should all just STFU.
you can't even argue "it brings $$ into the city". have you seen the streets during the carnival? the people who aren't nude have pockets stuffed with money.
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you would think that the CCC was the business-as-usual activity and the RWC would be some kind of "exception" funding, but apparently we're all so swept up in seeing minnows playing at the cake tin that we we should all just STFU.
you can't even argue "it brings $$ into the city". have you seen the streets during the carnival? the people who aren't nude have pockets stuffed with money.
South Africa v Wales; South Africa v Fiji; Australia v USA; France v Tonga; New Zealand v Canada; and two quarter finals. It starts September 11 and goes until October 9. So not all minnows and especially not minnows in the "come and stay and spend money" stakes and Wellington will probably be visited by the folks travelling to Palmy and New Plymouth too. The Carnival is asking for roughly the same amount of money for a single weekend.
Craig is right, we need to ask what public money is being spent on. We're getting an awful statue for $350k and a "village" for $100k. Or we are paying $500k for something at the carnival that isn't specified (so far).
It also seems a very odd story that it was $500,000 or nothing.
Che, where are you getting the three Cs from? (CCC) It's bugging me.
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Cuba Street Carnival - CCC.
what?
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One thing: why do we need this “Cup Village” when we’re already got Courtenay Place?
And Cuba St for that matter
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Not to mention facilities such as public toilets
party central for those in the the essentially upright position.
This is not really working is it. Oh well!!
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Cuba Street Carnival - CCC.
Your posts make much more sense now that I know you're not talking about the Christchurch City Council!
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don't get me wrong, i'n not agin the RWC. just that priorities seem to have gone out the window in the rush to kiss arse on global stage.
it'll be glad-hand-a-rama in the city council for those weeks - and who'll that benefit? not wee ratepaying me.
meanwhile, no shows like the one we saw on cuba street that time - remember? remember?
and no opportunity for robyn to sit and knit like she did last time.
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This hooha around the Cuba Street Carnival is very interesting. It very much seems that the decision to not go ahead with the carnival has been made by the carnival organisers itself.
For whatever reason, the carnival organisers decided they needed more than twice the amount of money from the council that they had in previous years. The reaction to not hold the carnival is an extreme reaction, a bit "Yeah? Well, since you're not going to give us the money we want, we won't have a carnival. So there."
If $200,000 isn't enough any more to throw the unusual carnival extravaganza, why not scale it back a bit?
Very curious.
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Yes, except this is the council's version as reported by the Dominion Post. Two things that make me a bit skeptic.
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i'm suspicious that the organisers were lacking sponsorship, and went to the council with cap in hand.
things are pretty tough here in the GFC.
unless you're spending tax on bullshit.
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I hope that today's Dompost article is just the first story, and that there will be follow-ups.
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Yes, except this is the council's version as reported by the Dominion Post. Two things that make me a bit skeptic.
From what I understand it might be the other way around.
i'm suspicious that the organisers were lacking sponsorship, and went to the council with cap in hand.
Actually it could be that. Bad economy etc etc means fewer sponsors so they asked the council for a bit more
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From what I understand it might be the other way around.
It's the Dominion's version as reported by the council? Seriously, I don't understand.
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yeah, it has that ring to it. just weird the way the ComPost reported it, as has been observed.
that said, i stand by the youtube link above.
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Sue,
I want my library i want my carnival and i want the rugby as well
i'm mostly apathetic about the rugby but i know loads of people who are not and making this a rugby vs carnival fight seems a waste of time.here's the thing sponsorship from anywhere at the moment is super super hard to find.
and honestly i bet many a brand would be thinking their money was better spent on the rugby as it's a national event rather than something that is local.
I would like to see the carnivals applications
i would like to know where council is spending sponsorship money
and I'm looking forward to asking questions of local body politicians come election season -
"Organisers of the Cuba Sreet Carnival in Wellington claim Wellington City Council will no longer fund it because they won't hold the street party during the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
However, the council says that's not the case and it has not yet been formally asked for a financial contribution."
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Mr Judd got there before me. Yeah that article just made things murkier including:
However, Mayor Kerry Prendergast says the council has been in talks about creating an umbrella organisation to run both the Cuba Street Carnival and the Fringe Festival.
@Giovanni: I meant it sounded more like the organiser's version reported by the DomPost.
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but when my employees are spraying around corporate welfare -- and too often doing it without proper scrutiny or due process -- I've got a very big problem indeed.
Yes it's a problem. It's actually quite well known; rush-of-blood-to-the-headitis is its name. Happens every time when something 'big' and 'worldclass' by whatever means swoops into town.
I have seen many an officer with this symptom. I've yet to find the cure.
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It's about Kerry of Tawa.
She runs Wellington as a shopping mall for her suburban constituency.
Who are a lot more into rugby than half-naked samba dancers. Yup, we could afford a carnival, rugby (though the rugby is happening anyway, charging $$$ a ticket and making fucktonnes of money for the IRB, so why the council needs to spend *anything* on it escapes me) *and* libraries. We could especially afford this stuff if we weren't spending a fortune on building highways for suburbanites SUVs, and tearing up pedestrian areas to provide room for buses (instead of taking space from said SUVs).
We do have the hope that if we can mobilise the people of Wellington to actually vote and leave Kerry firmly off our STV ballot papers, we might see a better headline in Septermber.
Carnival reinstated. Kerry cancelled
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Cuba Street Carnival - clarification
Wellington Mayor Kerry Prendergast has denied as “absolutely untrue” reports that the 2011 Cuba St Carnival has been cancelled because the Council is not committed to funding it and is spending money on the Rugby World Cup instead.The Council has been working with the Cuba Street Carnival and Fringe Arts trusts since last year on forming a new trust focused on delivering and developing events for emerging artists in Wellington.
Mayor Prendergast says the Council committed $75,000 toward helping establish the trust and has not received any formal funding request for the 2011 Cuba St Carnival.“As far as the Council is concerned we are still working with the trust and a report detailing the steps to establish it is being finalised at the moment.
“We have always been supportive of the Cuba St Carnival and contributed approximately $300,000 last year. The suggested figure of $500,000 was taken out of context and included a much wider range of events that the Council and Cuba St Carnival Collective Trust had been discussing.
“The Rugby World Cup has been budgeted completely separately from community events and major events. It is absolutely not drawing Council funding from any other events in the city.”
Nick Simcock, Chair of the Cuba St Carnival Collective, says a decision was made at the last board meeting that is was not feasible for the new trust to run an event of the Cuba Carnival’s scale in its first year of operation.
“We decided the focus should be on identifying appropriate trustees, building relationships with stakeholders and engaging appropriately qualified staff instead.
“We think it is in the best interest of Wellington City, the performers and the 150,000 carnival attendees for us to plan for a successful carnival in the longer term rather than compromise its authenticity because we have committed to an unrealistic timeframe in a very difficult financial environment.”
The steering group for the new trust, made up of representatives from the Carnival and Fringe Trusts, is working with other creative interests, including Wellington City Council, on a long-term strategy to retain and build Wellington’s status as New Zealand’s leading centre for arts events and emerging artists.
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