Field Theory: Four Years Ago
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After carefully considering what happened last Friday night I can confidently say that the Government effed up, AT effed up, and Veolia (?) effed up. I don't know why they haven't ALL taken responsibility. The mayor has said sorry and that's about it. The government and council centralised everything when they should have spread the party zones out. AT should have clicked that those coming into the city for the celebrations would be putting demands on the PT that the fans going to the games would need, and Veolia shouldn't have trains where you have to inspect all 30 emergency stop buttons to know which one was activated before re-setting the brakes. How antiquated is that? My crappy 5 year old computer probably has better technology in it.
The whole afternoon/evening was like the perfect incompetence storm.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
And this link off that link is amusing
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Yamis, in reply to
Labour --> National
National --> AT & Veolia
AT --> unprecedented demand
Veolia --> unprecedented demandBut nobody seems to want to say what created this "unprecedented demand" and why it wasn't planned for given it was entirely constructed and promoted by central government and Auckland Council. It wasn't an act of god. A Taniwha didn't rise up out of Rangitoto and tell people to hope on a bus, a train, a skateboard and head to the waterfront.
hot potato hot potato...
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Yamis, in reply to
That's funny Sofie. For a minute I thought they'd flown to the wrong country altogether.
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My money's on it being Murray McCully
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Rich Lock, in reply to
We don't have interactive in NZ?
There seems to be a problem with the wireless link. I had my Wii controller on 'Jonny Wilkinson', but I couldn't seem to get it to kick straight - the ball was going all over the shop. Is it something in the settings, or is there a patch I can download?
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BenWilson, in reply to
But nobody seems to want to say what created this "unprecedented demand" and why it wasn't planned for given it was entirely constructed and promoted by central government and Auckland Council.
They did plan for it. Nearly all capacity was directed to the event, which became enormous due in no small part to public transport, and the suggestion to use it, and they do deserve some thanks for the hundreds of thousands of people who were successfully delivered. I think that given the history of Auckland on PT, that what was unexpected was that people followed the advice given in such numbers. Also, how can you really plan for events when Kiwis are so bloody non-committal about their interest in things? Just as public transport in Auckland has no experience coping with such numbers, so also Aucklander have no experience coping with public transport in such numbers.
At the end of the day they delivered about as many people into Auckland and Eden Park as it was feasible to do, and it was only through good weather and good will that that number was not far too many people, leading to really serious incidents. People missing out on events when they are incredibly popular just isn't that serious an outcome, frankly, it takes a pale second position to public safety. Imagine how packed the central city could have been, if there actually *had* been the capacity to deliver all the people left behind straight to Britomart.
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Any bets to lay on who the Minister for Bad Manners is? My money is on Wayne Mapp.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
My money is on Wayne Mapp.
I think that's long odds. Mapp is about the only cabinet minister I'd give the time of day to. Could be any one of the rest of the incompetent fools, though.
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Carol Stewart, in reply to
There is a ban on buskers?
On Sunday night there was an entire string quartet playing in the tunnel under the bus station! They were glorious. -
Kumara Republic, in reply to
Any bets to lay on who the Minister for Bad Manners is? My money is on Wayne Mapp.
I'd say Dr Mapp comes across as too urbane for that sort of thing. McCully, though, does add up.
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DexterX, in reply to
The lift in play of the minows is in no small part to the the roll of ex All blacks in coaching positions developing the game and skill levels.
It would be great to see Warren Gatland and Todd Blackadder go forth as the next great AB coaching dynasty - I don't think the ozzies will be willing to let Deans go.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Queuey bono...
But nobody seems to want to say what created this “unprecedented demand” and why it wasn’t planned for given it was entirely constructed and promoted by central government and Auckland Council.
I'm just wondering what this unprecedented spike in train users converts to in earnings for Auckland Transport/Veolia?
And did I hear right in the interview on Close up last night (with the man and his elderly mother-in-law who were stuck on the train and sadly didn't get to the game at all) that the RWC tickets included "Free public train or bus transport" ? and if so didn't the RWC company then contribute to the random factors of numbers travelling by train?
And also how were those trips costs to be reimbursed to the provider?Joyce is impressive at rushing to close the stable doors after the horse has bolted - this friday's game will not have an opening ceremony or downtown harbourside spectacular in the mix, but he'll probably take credit for fixing it when it all goes smoothly...
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Move over Buster Bloodvessel...
...the Minister for Bad Manners...
Terry Gilliam's new movie 3 Monkeys ?...
"I saw no sign of anything," Williamson said.
"I enjoyed the game, it was an excellent match, there was no controversy and I've talked to everybody that I sat with now, and no one knows anybody that did anything. So where I was - there was nothing.*
I have no idea what has generated [the story] but all I know where I was [with the] the Australian High Commissioner, several other ministers, I saw nothing, heard nothing, of even the slightest [controversy]."(from the Stuff article linked to above)
*never a truer word spoken!
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BenWilson, in reply to
I think that's long odds.
Seems like long odds whether the incident actually happened at all.
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Martin Lindberg, in reply to
Seems like long odds whether the incident actually happened at all
and it's pretty unlikely that it will happen again on RWC opening night. at least in AKL. in 2011. in fact, it really is so unlikely to happen again that it probably did not happen at all.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
Depends what you think the incident was. The Aussie reports, read closely, don’t go further than quoting an un-named person as saying that another person was a cabinet minister. I imagine if I were a harried hospo worker, telling an Aussie reporter that some random drunk in a suit was a cabinet minister and couldn’t be controlled would be both a great way of getting them off your back and playing a hilarious jape. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the incident of the staff member tweaking the journo really happened.
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Paul Williams, in reply to
Great story, thanks Sofie. Great to hear kiwis are still so hospitable, to South Africans even.
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So, who's to blame.
First the problem.
200,000 ish people were at the waterfront. Why?
When the powers that be i.e. the NZRFU, decided that Eden Park would be the Venue for most of the Auckland games the Waterfront proposal should have been dropped.
But..."Party central - it'll be a place to congregate. There'll be large TV screens and bars and places for people to come along and celebrate and you can imagine it won't just be the six weeks of the campaign," says Prime Minister John Key.
Fact is it was the decision to keep Eden Park as the Main venue that was the fumble. With the Rugby season stretching out into the Spring and starting sometime shortly after after it finishes, it needs a stadium of its own, not Eden Park "The Home of Auckland Cricket"
The Park became the home of Auckland Cricket in 1910. The Auckland Rugby Union leased the Park in 1914, officially making Eden Park its home in 1925.
Note, leased not owned.
Trevor Mallards idea for the Waterfront Stadium should have gained more traction butSports Minister Trevor Mallard refused to comment today on the Auckland Regional Council's decision to support a revamped Eden Park rather than a planned new stadium on the city's waterfront.
So, we could have blamed the ARC and they do these things so well but they are no longer, and who's decision was that, eh?. Needless to say
Mr Key has not given any hint as to whether he endorses the report.
Relaxed I suspect.
I have to admit I didn't like the idea of the Waterfront Stadium but in retrospect, it would have been great. We could of had total chaos.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Those were state of the art in 2003. You should have upgraded long ago.
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Sacha, in reply to
When the powers that be i.e. the NZRFU
Hilarious
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Hilarious
Why?
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Sacha, in reply to
that anyone reckons the RFU had much of a say
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
that anyone reckons the RFU had much of a say
I guess that as the NZRU is no longer called the NZRFU I stand corrected.
the national union was known as the New Zealand Rugby Football Union or NZRFU. The name was officially shortened in 2006 with the removal of the world “Football”.
But who is this RFU of whom you speak? An easy mistake I accept as
The decisions announced today were unchanged from those recommended by the Board of RNZ 2011 Ltd and ratified by the Board of Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) which met in Dublin, Ireland, on Wednesday.
Or did you mean the IRB?
ETA. IMHO, AFAIK, IANAL, WTF YMMV, Annat, innit?
ETAA. Acronyminity not intended to offend. ;-) -
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