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Hard News: User-generated Speechification

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  • Russell Brown,

    There it is right there, Russell. I do believe Emma may well have won your debate for you.

    That was pretty awesome, actually ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • John Schofield,

    Russell, great move taking the moot to the people. David Hamilton's reply is pure refined gold. You are going to have a ton of ammo for Thursday!

    To answer Rex Widerstrom yes the material from the debate and the other presentations from the Online Advertising Symposium will be available online at www.internetbureau.co.nz within a week of the event.

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 1 posts Report

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    In today's Observer, they take a look at "critics vs bloggers", i.e. professional critics whose reviews appear in printed media versus amateur critics whose reviews appear in blogs, and the ever blurring overlap.

    Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    Consumer-generated media rules or rule: only on a site like this one will your readers write your argument for you.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report

  • Jake Pollock,

    The OED, which is paid content thinks that media can be used as either a plural or singular noun.

    To be fair, the OED started out as user-generated content.

    Raumati South • Since Nov 2006 • 489 posts Report

  • Steve Reeves,

    I'm sure the "if an infinite number of monkeys sat at an infinite number of typewriters they'd eventually produce the works of Shakespeare" conclusion comes into play here too---though I'd like to think the monkeys get paid (though numerically perhaps we look more like the monkeys.....)

    Near Donny Park, Hamilton… • Since Apr 2007 • 94 posts Report

  • Don Christie,

    Paid content is King – Cnut.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1645 posts Report

  • Don Christie,

    From that old Trademe home page:

    Trade Me now has 4000 registered users. Site traffic for last month is up 100% to 500,000 page views per month!

    Heady days.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1645 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Shouldn't it be "Consumer Generated Media are the Foot Soldiers"? How can you take seriously a proposition that isn't even grammatical

    I concur with Rich on this but it is common for the duality of plurality in plurals to be singularly vexing.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Paid content is King – Cnut.

    in trying to turn back the tide of the masses?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Lyndon Hood,

    The whole 'footsoldiers' thing does seem to suggest they're all working for the king. Or at least playing the same game*. Rather than raiding the king's stuff to have parties and fuel their own particular fires.

    One also gets the idea we're supposed to be invading something. For the purposes of the metaphor that something is probably their own meme pool, so I don't know how that works.

    In so far as it's true, uneasy is the head that wears a the crown.


    * As far as we're just talking about the relative importance of various contents, it really depends who's askign and what they want.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1115 posts Report

  • chris mcnair,

    You need only look at the distribution of user generated vs commercial content on sites like Digg and Reddit to see that they are equally as important for a broad informational outlook. They compliment each other and have their own strengths whether it be blogs vs main stream media sites or ugc vs commercial clips.
    For one to be labelled a 'footsoldier' of the other is a naive way to look at the situation as a large portion of paid content takes it's lead from the user gen world.
    This relationship is simbiotic as the blogosphere (forgive me) learned it's way of being from the commercial media.
    In many respects the line is blurred as a blogger can make a living from their work, and is thus 'paid' so a clear definition can be tricky.
    There will always be a place for both however the strength of the user created world should not be underestimated... As is shown by the msm's embrace of many 'user gen' features to add value to their own propositions, for better or worse. (I would have been happier not learning about the current state of the heralds readership from the your views section for instance)

    auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 39 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    "when we talk about paid content we are referring to, for example, professionally produced tv shows, industry developed games, employed journalists' news articles, recorded news bulletins etc; and user generated content e.g. home-made movies, freeware games, blogs, citizen reporting etc."

    At which point, if ever, does public address cease to be a "blog" and become paid content, then? Presumably it generates a revenue, which will be shared among the staff (a-ha!).

    Are the bloggers Russell's employees? Is PA set up as a co-op? I don't know and, quite frankly, I couldn't care less. If I look at my bookmarks, some items fall squarely into the paid content category, others in the user-generated content, and others still - perhaps the majority - would be harder to place in one box or the other. But the point is that it's not how I organise my bookmarks, which means that the king-foot soldier distinction for me has no practical meaning, which goes back to the point that most have made thus far.

    If we chose for the sake of argument to regard PA as paid content, and the forum as user-generated content, then I'd have to say that sure, perhaps there is a hierarchy of sorts in that most discussions are originated by blog posts, but it is also true that oftentimes the forum is responsible for the most interesting and insightful pages generated by this site. Which is no slight to the blog posters, of course, after all they generally participate in the discussions themselves.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Rex Widerstrom,

    John Schofield

    To answer Rex Widerstrom yes the material from the debate and the other presentations from the Online Advertising Symposium will be available online at www.internetbureau.co.nz within a week of the event.

    Choice! So fascinating user-generated material will be made available even to those who, like myself, have contributed not a penny to its creation. It will be fallen upon and devoured with interest, and will most probably lead to changes in the recommendations I put to clients who are establishing new sites.

    QED, methinks. Just copypaste and you can email in your argument, Russell :-D

    Perth, Western Australia • Since Nov 2006 • 157 posts Report

  • Hilary Stace,

    The debate proposition is outdated in that it does not reflect an inclusive vision. It gives only two options - king or foot soldier. What about those generating content who are lower leg amputees, or who use wheelchairs? This moot therefore contravenes the Human Rights Act, the NZ Disability Strategy and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Disabled Persons.
    There is a growing body of literature on disability and electronic media. See, for example, Digital Disability: the social construction of disability in the new media, by Australians Gerard Goggin and Christopher Newell.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3229 posts Report

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