Posts by mark taslov
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I hope you're right
So do I Joe. It was a totally fucked up situation. and if anything the case did raise the issue for me as to what constitutes a mutually healthy relationship and when is it best to just walk away.
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To cite that case in the quest to remove the plea could only ever lend creedence, value and weight to the murderer's version. provocation wasn't an issue in the Bain trial and yet we saw worse posthumous damage inflicted on the victims.... and so....Personally I just feel that the courts have spoken and they got it right.
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Mark - the idea of removing the defence of provocation is to prevent the obscene farce of the law facilitating a killer attempting further damage to their victim.
There is something in that, but after [details supressed] there was very little damage that could be done. The judgement of the court in that case speaks far louder and longer than any missives and lies issued from a murderer's lips.
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and yeah I really should apologize Joe, it does just seem to be Craig and whoever will take him on today.
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Joe do you really think Weatherston wouldn't have plead self defence? Essentially I'm neither for or against a law change nor surrounding discussion, but I think the case of Ferdinand Ambach pisses all over your Clayton Weatherston claims of farce in terms of relevance to the issue.
What catfight?
O come on bro! Roald Dahl is appalled Craig.
What catfight? I still stand by my suggestion that perhaps we should focus on having provocation as a defence thrown into the dustbin of history, and a little less on trashing Judith Ablett-Kerr. Various other people disagree.
Perhaps you're right, but in relation to the Weatherston case where the criminal has been duly convicted the argument against the provocation plea holds no sway. That's where Joe just seems misguided, it had no bearing on the verdict.
However.. in relation to the banjo case it most certainly does. Something you said a few pages back about everyone having a right to life resonated with me, and while I'm not convinced the Hungarian Banjo killer was aware of the various defences at his disposal before he murdered the (and I quote from numerous media sources) 'elderly gay man' aka Ronald Brown. The judgement on that trial was unfuckingbelieveable.
and we can be 99% sure that this guy got the 'fairest' trial money can buy.
Well yes, Mark -- we'd save a lot of money if we shut down the courts and replaced them with telephone polls and a guillotine in the back of a van, but I don't know if I want to live in that country.
'fairest' In terms of there is no comeback for him after that. He's done his dash, it was appalling, and he can't complain. broadly speaking justice has been done, and hence I'm not convinced citing the Weatherston case over the Ambach best serves the cause.
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Well at least you've stopped short of actively offering yourself as a role model.
The angst is fine Joe if that's your want, personally I feel it's misdirected.
Discussion of this case must - and will - be kept alive until the defence of provocation is dropped from the statute books. Never again.
Because the Government cares right? Get Stephen Fry involved and they may change the law. Whether it will save lives is another issue.
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Judith Ablett-Kerr. For going beyond her brief of providing a defence in this farcical case and, despite her mealy-mouthed protestations otherwise, putting the victim on trial.
Vile, vile, vile.Of course, Angus, you've no contempt for the politicians who've let provocation stay on the books?
To address the catfight . I think in hindsight that the only real reviling that'll stand the test of time will be that directed at Mr Clayton Weatherston. In hindsight everything else will prove to be water off a duck's back in relation to the trauma already administered, and we can be 99% sure that this guy got the 'fairest' trial money can buy. Our heartiest respect (in the sincerest sense) is best paid by letting this issue sink from the blogosphere and allowing the Weatherston and Elliot families to reconstruct their lives. Provocation plea or not, my guess is he'd have attempted a self-defence plea if provocation weren't admissible and hence....the judgement has been passed by those best qualified. Personally I'm boycotting any further news stories on the topic in the interests of good taste.
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What's the bet the little shit writes a book?
Unquestionably, wouldn't rule out a movie or TV miniseries either. As the media has proven, people can't get enough of this one.
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I'm assuming he asked to take the stand, and his defence team couldn't talk him out of it.
Yeah, having got a bit of a feel for that fucks syntax, it seemed as if almost the entire defence closing statement was penned by him. Napoleon complex for sure. Funny post David.
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Dear Lord. Somebody write this man a diagram.
Comedy gold!