Posts by mark taslov
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blame Canada
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one thing that can't be said about New Zealanders is that they shy away from confrontation.
RIP David Lange.
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so why start a semantic battle Eddie?
I know how to use capital letters too Eddie, but i'm missing my left pinkie so i save myself the effort.
God i wish that that were true. Embarrassingly, I'm just lazy, and I do find that fullstops are kind of revealing. I don't doubt your literacy Eddie, I suspect you just wanted to have a bit of an internet joust.
fine by me.
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<quote>"on the contrary. giving due respect to authority figures whether they deserve it or not is mandatory for maintaining our society and our own well being."<quote>
Reworded for for the slarty's clarity;
on the contrary. giving due deference to authority figures whether they deserve it or not is mandatory for maintaining our society and our own well being
are internet forums the new talkback radio?
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and both my teachers like myself are parents....
or both my parents and my aunty, as myself
earn respect.
not here.
I've got work to do...
I had a point somewhere back there... -
Sacha, read mana.
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so you respect the police officers instructions Eddie?
Stuart Coats
And when do you think this occurs? I'll admit to having inside knowledge here as my father was a teacher (which, like David Cormack, may explain the lack of wagging) but I think the kids work out quite early that their teachers have very little authority.
As I mentioned earlier, it is a societal tendency somewhat encouraged by parents siding with students. Apologies I neglected to mention both my teachers, like myself are teachers.
I was a ratbag. I recall a number of situations I was sent out of my mother's class.
why?
playing up to the cultural expectations to get respect among fellow students.
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Why? why would I want to think about mana?
as I initially posted"When you breed a culture where the teacher is not respected, regardless of how good or bad they are.."
I was not referring to mana, I was referring to due deference (primarily) in the classroom.
"esteem, worth, excellence, quality" and "deference, privilege, acceptance, acknowledgement". are different concepts?
I mean,
regardless of how good or bad they are
do badly performing people have mana Sacha, is it likely that this was the intended meaning?
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Bit slow responding to this one, shit to mark. Most dictionaries provide a number of interpretations of respect.
we could jump on the noun.
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.
or we could be open to this interpretation
4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.
as with the verb;
9. to hold in esteem or honor: I cannot respect a cheat.
10. to show regard or consideration for: to respect someone's rights.
11. to refrain from intruding upon or interfering with: to respect a person's privacy.
The issue, again brought to the fore, being New Zealand literacy rates.
;D Eddie.I didn't actually say obedience.
and i didn't find a definition for respect as obedience.
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Ha! I am proved correct. Mark, you're conflating obedience and respect. A certain about of obedience to authority is indeed required for a properly ordered society (the degree of obedience is very much up for debate). That ISN'T the same as respect. To use a slightly extreme example, I wouldn't respect a hypothetical homophobic cop in the slightest, but I might well be obedient in order to avoid negative consequences to myself.
Sorry Eddie, it was a crap example, but there's respect and there's 'showing respect' , generally our young un's aren't up to making the distinctions you have made.
What, you don't think we buy into the bullshit enough, compared to more obedient peoples like the Chinese?
Let's hope we never do!
Let's hope we never do what RoOz? Who are the Chinese obedient too? As I've mentioned before, the primary cement in the structure of the system in China, are not the institutions but the families. Money and networks offer easy routes around most institutional obligations.
In terms of education, the family knows best, parents override educational standards all the time here, insisting they know what's best for their little emporer(s). Standardized testing has been implemented a long time.
so RoOZ, just hoping you never end up like that, isn't going to be enough.
When you speak of obedience you neglect to consider that you're comparing a country with an often contravened drinking age, with a country whose culture has never necessitated the introduction of a drinking age.
Lets take a look at recent NZ history,
Supression of terrorism act, enabling arrest without crime,
surveillance of protest groups,
registration required for political action,
introduction of standardized testing in education.what more can be said than,
welcome to China.
Don't ever buy into the illusion that New Zealanders are somehow less obedient than Chinese. I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about now.
And right now
their obedience is to their families
your obedience is to the law.Sorry to drift off topic there Emma, but after having a laugh I thought I'd better set that old record straight (yet again).