Posts by Craig Ranapia

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  • Speaker: Compulsory voting and election turnout, in reply to David Haywood,

    I’m now convinced that we need to (properly) implement compulsory voting to counteract the vote-discouraging strategies that are already being used in NZ.

    With all due and sincere respect to both you and Moz, aren’t you elevating form over substance? If the main “vote-discouraging strategy” is well… politicians and policies people feel don’t represent their interests in a meaningful way (*), I don’t think a 100% turnout with 23% of the ballots spoiled or otherwise invalid (or 23% of the electorate being criminalized) is any more laudable than what happened on Saturday.

    {*} And my caveat there is I don’t actually know. Nobody really does, and perhaps we need to make more of an effort to find out before going for the nuclear option.

    “Properly” meaning with the caveat that Steven Crawford (and others) have mentioned: an I don’t want to vote option and a none of the above option.

    We already have both of the above, and 23% of registered voters exercised it on Saturday by not voting. As I said up thread, perhaps we should be engaging people instead of functionally making them criminals for being disengaged from politics and the political process. Or patronizing them as mindless puppets of some vast right-wing conspiracy.

    And I’d also like someone to rebut the point Robyn made near the top of the thread. What’s the stick here that won’t disproportionately affect the poor and the young who, at least anecdotally, make up a very large chunk of that missing million we hear so much about? Checking some privilege here might be a useful exercise.

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  • Speaker: Compulsory voting and election turnout, in reply to BenWilson,

    Well an obvious idea is that disaffection could be an option on the ballot. “No confidence” or something like it. It wouldn’t change them being disaffected, but we would at least know that being disaffected is why they voted that way.

    Well,if I just draw a cock on my ballot paper rather than not turning up because I can't afford to pay the fine or would rather not end up with a court date what exactly have we learned?

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  • Speaker: Compulsory voting and election turnout, in reply to Moz,

    I’m keen on compulsory voting exactly because it negates one strategy of the powerful – discouraging voting

    Really, Moz? It also negates groups like the No Land! No House! No Vote! Campaign in South Africa. Whether you agree with them or not, most of the people involved in this campaign sincerely feel that voting lends spurious legitimacy to successive governments that have consistently failed to address the needs of the poor.

    The main issue I have with compulsory voting is that it privileges form (high turnout) over substance (motivating people to participate in politics and the political process). And as Robyn pointed out a fine (and a conviction) may mean fuck all to relatively privileged folks like your average PAS reader, but $20 might actually be a really big deal to the poor and young who should be engaged rather than coerced.

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Gah I can’t find it now but someone has done the analysis and that is exactly the case. National has maintained about a million voters for ever.

    That would be a fascinating piece of analysis, because "forever" is... well, since 2008. Then again, if a week is a long time in politics six years is an eon. :)

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Sacha,

    Danyl suggests an enforceable ongoing audit of OIA responsiveness as one answer to Dirty Politics.

    Not a bad idea -- though I'd like to see it applied all the way across the board. The Official Information and the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Acts aren't suggested guidelines (if you can be bothered getting around to it) but legislation, and a little regular naming and shaming for public bodies that don't obey the law wouldn't be a bad thing.

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Read the rest of my comment. And what I was responding to. I don’t disagree that the Police should investigate and prosecute where there is evidence of the law being broken. I do agree that the Police should be reluctant to get involved in politics.

    That's fair enough, and I didn't mean to imply I thought otherwise. My apologies.

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    I generally think the Police should remain reluctant to involve themselves in such matters.

    If that’s the case, here’s something to put on the “to do” list for the 51st Parliament. If the Police aren’t interested in enforcing electoral law, amend the relevant sections of the Electoral Act requiring electoral officials to report breeches to the Police for further investigation and prosecution and give the responsibility to someone who will. Though in my more cynical moments, I suspect there's a multi-party consensus that the status quo works just fine.

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Kevin McCready,

    3. It also fails because NZ electorate seats are far from being decided democratically. Counting them under a preferential system

    A preferential electoral system that has specific flaws you’d like to share, or is it the entire idea of MMP you find objectionable? ( ETA: And on reflection, under MMP electorate votes aren't counted preferentially. Was your point that you think STV would be fairer or something?)

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  • OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance, in reply to Sara Bee,

    Josie Paganism

    Best. Typo. Ever. Madame, you look most fetching in that Freudian slip. :)

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  • Hard News: The humanity, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    May as well send the Herald on holiday for a month then, seeing as there is no interest in Team Key

    And what news value is there either, Sofie –

    1) John Key gets standing ovation at crowded and indecently cheerful National caucus meeting, followed by photo ops on the steps.

    2) Closed door meetings with slightly less cheerful David Seymour, Peter Dunne and Te Ururoa Flavell. The news there is going to be whatever C&S agreements get signed, and whether those three are going to end up in Cabinet, but there’s nothing yet on that front beyond speculation. But there’s no coalition-forming dramatics going on, because there’s no need to form one.

    3) [EDITED TO CORRECT ERROR OF FACT. STUPID FACTS.] As far as Cabinet is concerned, there's already a certain amount of speculation going around. But that's all it is. As I understand the rules (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) it would be dodgy as hell for Key to start appointing Ministers before the return of the writ and the official declaration of elected members. (Based on previous form, Maureen Pugh – the lowest ranked National MP-elect – and Steffan Browning shouldn’t unpack their bags until all the specials are counted either. The Greens historically pick up a seat off National here, but we’ll see how that pans out.)

    4) All the new MPs are going through orientation, but that’s hardly going to be leading the six o’clock news unless someone goes completely bonko with a credit card unusually early.

    Might not be a bad time for the Press Gallery to have a collective warm milky drink, and catch up on some non-election related work. It’s not as if the world has stopped turning.

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