Once again, we have Labour with something useful to say (we have a problem with foreign investment in our housing market), but terrible framing.
Or how about we just take a deep breath and admit this is wonderful framing for the element of the Labour Party who are desperate for a polling bump, and don’t give a damn how they get it. Welcome to your Orewa moment, Labour supporters.
The fact of the matter is that even your carefully written piece would still be regarded a racist because you dared to mention China, had we been talking about Americans or Germans or whoever as long as they were “westerners”, this would never have been a “problem”.
So remind me, Steve, where was Labour's furious denunciation when The New Zealand Herald's proprietor flicked off its magazine holdings to a German corporation? (FULL DISCLOSURE: I'm an occasion contributor to The Listener, currently owned by Bauer Media Group)? And are you seriously trying to argue that there's the same level of political and media hysterics when land and houses are sold to Australians, Poms or Americans? Really?
If you're citing the existence of racism as justification for pandering to it, then you've unwittingly put your finger on the real problem here. It's just not the one you think it is.
I just find it hilarious personally that suddenly a lot of those on the right are suddenly falling all over themselves defending minorities in NZ. How unusual....
Does that cancel out my mirthless laughter watching a lot of those on the left who are now terribly relaxed (to coin a phrase) about nonsense they'd (rightly) be smothering in brimstone if it was coming from the Taxpayer's Onion, via Whale Oil and Kiwibog?
I guess I'm one of those people you're glibly dismissing as bad faith concern trolls, but while you're enjoying playing your intellectual games this kind of race trolling does real harm to actual human beings in my community, and my whanau. I honestly don't give the proverbial rodent's rectum whether you believe me or not, just stop it. And, yet again, if you and Twyford seriously want a serious debate why not act like it instead of setting up politically correct straw Twitterati to knock over?
So, for all those here bagging Twyford take a quick look in the mirror, Labour are NOT the bad guys here.
So, once more they're not the bad guys here because what... they outsourced the race-trolling and would like us all to believe they couldn't have possibly predicted how it would play? Well, thank heavens for that!
But to pretend that Twyford has invented a racist dog whistle ignores the evidence. Whether speculators from China are buying 40% of available stock is another question, but I absolutely guarantee they're buying some of it. Because our market encourages it by design.
Nope - Twyford is being pilloried because he's still going out there and trying to spin dodgy conclusions drawn from weak evidence that I pray wouldn't pass muster in a halfway decent first year university paper.
And every time I hear Twyford chirp "this is just confirming what everyone knows is true" I despair that he's likely to end up holding a Cabinet portfolio where leading with his gut rather than sound evidence-based policy could do real and lasting harm.
frustration with the fact the left can't even attack National about this without being called racist.
Well, I kinda share your frustration there Mark, but not in a way you're going to like. If a certain segment of "the left" don't like being called racist anymore than certain segments of "the right," that's all on them. Stop making it so damn easy. It really is that simple.
My impression, unsupported by data, is that "lock up and leave" is increasingly being touted as a virtue in Auckland property ads. But I'm damned if I know what it actually means.
"Lock up and leave" sounds a lot classier than "no need to pour shitloads of money and time into keeping the house and grounds looking decent." Has done for years, especially if you're trying to hit that "downsizing retiree who wants to blow the retirement savings on Tiki-touring NOT the house" demographic. Sorry, it's not some secret code for predatory foreign hot money.
Latest is that Barfoot & Thompson are trying to chase the leaker, if it was actually one of their own. And given that the Barfoot patriarch was a big donor to the NACTs at the last election, and the head of the ‘Thompson’ half of B&T dismissed NZ home buyers as too entitled…
Far be it from me to bork a good political conspiracy theory, but we’re looking at putting our house on the market and moving back to Wellington after David retires. I’d rather not deal with any real estate agency who’s prone to “leaking” personal data to be (ab)used in political race trolling. I’m a bit weird like that, and would be no matter who I vote for… You may not much like who Peter Thompson makes political donations to, but the fact remains Barfoot and Thompson is a very big real estate company that has a perfectly rational reason not to have their entire operation tainted by this bullshit.
We probably can't really expect Rob to take responsibility for what Labour wanted out of all of this. It's on Labour, and Twyford particularly, to explain.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. Up to a point. I think we can expect Rob to do precisely that when he's still fronting the media to attempt to justify the work he put his name on. And if he was doing it for (say) the Ministry of Social Development or Auckland Council, we'd be saying "too bloody right."
And I'll even do Rob the courtesy of assuming he's a lot more astute about the political uses and abuses of the kind of work he does than he's pretending to be.
Just to note: I don't think Labour can blame the Herald for the framing of the story.
No they fucking can't -- if the shocked pearl-clutching I've seen from certain quarters over The Herald doing what The Herald does with monotonous regularity is at all sincere, well congratulations. Whoever is doing Labour's comms strategy nowadays is just incompetent rather than a malignant race troll. Come to your own conclusions on whether that's a good thing.
But it’s simply not strong enough to to go public with like this, especially when you can’t control the way the Herald’s going to frame it.
Or to be entirely cynical, you know exactly how a paper with a long history of race-baiting and playing fast and loose with facts around property prices will frame it...
You say Twyford "chose to make the headlines of this story about race", which implies you think he had several options to choose from. So - what were they? What choice would you have made?
Gee, how about stop pretending to be surprised when you "leak" information to the The New Zealand Herald which promptly does what the Herald has done with monotonous regularity since forever? Beat up some half-arsed and dishonest race-based smear.
I honestly don't get you, Seriatim. For someone who claims to want a "serious" and "mature" discussion on housing affordability, you're contorting yourself mightily to give a pass to Labour's unserious, immature and downright dishonest one.
I'll say it again... this is not a race issue.
That's ducky, Aflie. I'll keep responding "bullshit" until one of us gets tired and gives up.