Yeah I don’t know if it’s anything to aspire to, it’s either drunken Chinese whispers or we’ve switched countries, under this piece:
World media ??? That’ll be all except Australian rags that continually wrote insults about the AB’s. To the Daily Telegraph; FOUR MORE YEARS, to Genia; FOUR MORE YEARS.
Hombre with an encore here:
Where is Genia; FOUR MORE YEARS.
Beneath the same article Midnight Odyssey offers:
Four more years boys.
Can’t work out if that’s positive or negative. Likewise with Marcus Smith here:
Four more years!
Enjoy today, thank all concerned and start the clock for Japan 2019.
And finally Tom49 in an article about the refereeing ascribes it correctly:
Four more years George!
Fortunately not all of our questionable spirit was mindlessly unoriginal, somewhere in all that there was a:
Waah waah Waaaallabies.
And the slightly more creative:
Michael Cheika and the Chokers…sounds like some kind of rock group!!
Squish probably deserves the final word:
Aussies. Doesn’t matter which way it goes they’re bad winners and bad losers.
opiates certainly are and just need to be prescribed by a doctor and signed out the controlled drugs cupboard.
Or you just nip out to garden, pick some of the seed pods off your (legal to grow) Papaver somniferum, illegally cut them open and squeeze out the sap, dry that and chase the dragon to your hearts content. Personally I’d prefer the class C cannabis, but as this class B producer is legal to grow, beggars can’t be choosers.
Not a smoker? Wack those pods in the blender and whip up a pot, add lemon, a delicious opiate brew, or use the leaves to make a salad, just be sure not to ingest too much or you’ll die.
We absolutely do need to be debating these topics, the whole gamut.
And the internets are filled with comments from gloating, boorish kiwi fans banging on
Straight. What is clear is that Gregan sure struck a nerve with his “four more years” burn way back when. Somehow the phrase doesn’t have quite the same level of pizzazz when recycled by commentators under news articles whose readership are largely New Zealanders. .
Don’t forget to add a little red wine.
How does Team New Zealand in the mad world of yachting stack up in this analysis?
The New York Yacht Club.
To an extent I also took that as a comment on the way society stigmatises adults who sexually abuse, they are the pariah of the modern age. Even if they serve time and do genuinely reform, there’s still a high likelihood of an aggressive grassroots campaign to ostracize them from the community they’re paroled into.
There’s a few things that concerned me in the wording of that article none less so than the use of the modal ‘can’ as opposed to something denoting a more obligatory response, this appears to occur throughout (see section: What If Someone You Know Has Sexually Abused A Child In Your Family?). This is fine if the concerned caregiver(s) are willing to act – free from duress – in the best interests of children and the community, but IMHO it doesn’t adequately target those prepared to assist in covering up wrongdoing in order to protect known abusers from the stigmatisation.
Having said that, it’s difficult to be too critical of RPE when so little information and support seems to be available on this issue.
90s era baseball
It’s probably easier to just twink over all MLB.
With that in mind, who honestly believes steroids didn’t start impacting baseball until the 90’s? To believe that requires the kind of gullibility usually only seen in victims of Nigerian email scams. Even the fact that baseball finally outlawed steroids in 1991 is a sham, because they didn’t start testing players for them until 2005. What’s the point of banning them if you don’t check to see if anyone is complying? […] Baseball had a way bigger performance-enhancing drug problem than steroids on its hands for a long time. Since as far back as the days when Willie Mays (the 4th most prolific home run hitter of all time, for the record) allegedly kept a liquid version called “Red Juice” on hand in his locker at all times, baseball players have relied on amphetamines to provide the boost that becomes necessary so many times during a grueling schedule that sees major league teams play 162 mostly boring-as-fuck games in just over 180 days
interesting to have it expanded.
I did some searches last night, there wasn’t much available, the child-on-child sexual abuse entry at Wikipedia linked to a few study abstracts;
A substantial proportion of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by adolescents and even younger children. Few states and child protective agencies, however, acknowledge juvenile perpetrators and their victims within the investigatory and substantiation guidelines regarding sexual abuse (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 2003). Despite the lack of research evidence, victims of younger perpetrators are often perceived to be at less risk for developing a traumatic response to sexual abuse. The purpose of this study was to investigate how both the characteristics of a sexual offense and the age of the perpetrator are associated with victims’ consequent behavioral and emotional functioning. The current research investigated these relationships using bivariate and multivariate analysis. Multiple regression analyses revealed that there are numerous abuse-related characteristics that predict to poor outcomes in victims of child sexual abuse. Use of force and frequency were associated with victims’ self-reported levels of anxiety, depression, and posttraumatic stress. While perpetrator age was associated with the development of sexualized behavior and externalizing and internalizing behavior problems, duration and invasiveness of abuse accounted for a greater proportion of the variance in these outcomes. Logistic regression analysis revealed that adults were more likely to commit frequent acts of abuse over a longer period of time, however, juveniles and adults were equally likely to use a given level of force and engage in invasive acts of abuse...
Results: More than half of the children engaging in developmentally unexpected sexual behaviors had been abused both sexually and physically by more than two different perpetrators. One-third of the people who had maltreated these children were less than 18 years old. These children had acted out against an average of two other children. High levels of distress in the children and their caregivers were evident across a number of psychometric and historical variables…
Results: No differences were found between the two groups for the type of sexual abuse, penetration, or the use of force. CC were younger and more likely to be males who were abused in a school setting, home, or a relative’s home by a sibling or a non-related male. CC endorsed clinically significant sexual preoccupations and manifested borderline clinically significant symptomatology.
Conclusions: Children victimized by other children manifested elevated levels of emotional and behavioral problems and were not significantly different from those who had been sexually abused by adults…
A Google Boolean search of “child-on-child sexual abuse” + “nz” revealed 6 results, substituting “New Zealand” in gave 8130 hits but nothing on the first couple of pages appeared to be localised. I did find this PDF produced by RPE which includes a brief section:
Sexual behaviour between children is abusive if:
• It hurts, frightens or upsets one, or both children
• One child has greater sexual knowledge than the other child
• One child uses force, threats, bribery or coercion in order to get
the other child to participate
• One child forces another child to keep the behaviour a secret
• One child does not want to be involved
• One child is bigger, older and more developmentally advanced
than the other child.
Children may behave in sexual ways because they have been
sexually abused, have witnessed sexual behaviour, or have
experienced other emotional difficulties. Very often children are
confused by what they have experienced and do not understand
what is appropriate behaviour.
While their behaviour is abusive, these children should not be
regarded in the same way we regard adults who sexually abuse.
These children need specialised education and guidance.
What to do if you’re worried
• If you have concerns your teenager or child is sexually abusing other
children you can take the following steps:
• Stay calm and open minded. Punishment and anger will not help.
If your child sees you upset and angry, then s/he will not talk
• Do not jump to conclusions. Check if it is normal behaviour and do
not ignore concerning behaviours
• Don’t assume that the behaviour will go away by itself or that your
child will “grow out of it”
• Seek support and help about these issues from specialist agencies
in your community
• Ensure your child or teenager is supervised around other children
until you have talked to a specialist in this area
• Ask for advice about whether other people need to be told
• Get help to deal with your own feelings so you can remain
supportive to your child.
I accept that my knowledge is limited to those I’ve spoken to
Likewise my knowledge is similarly limited to those I've spoken to, which I guess renders my use of the quantifier 'majority' redundant in the larger scheme. For the most these were isolated incidents not experienced serially by the victim, perpetrated by family friends, neighbours and strangers. I guess of greatest concern to me is that I'd heard about enough of these types of incidents to presume that they're almost commonplace.
Sorry for my snark there Lucy, this thread…
Having taken some time to reflect, the issue I have with what you wrote is that a majority of people I have spoken to who were abused as children were abused by slightly older children. The victims were ambushed, there is extremely limited education – basically little frame of reference to provide warning signs. These crimes largely go unreported within society and families. WRT children, society’s fixation on age brackets and adults breaking the law seems to take precedence over the protection of children being abused or not as the case may be. I have strong misgiving about the way the former actress who shall not be named has been hung out to dry here.
Secondly, I find the stereotyping somewhat haphazard in that some adult abusers are incredibly attractive, pop stars, tv personalities etc, their magnetism and ability to manipulate is problematic while their personal hygiene is a non-issue.
If sexual acts become known at the time, children are damned whether these acts are consensual or coerced.