Posts by Graeme Edgeler

  • Legal Beagle: Fact-checking Parliament:…, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    By the way do was their any significant interest from this committee for lowering the voting age?

    The majority was against further consideration, but there was some interest in considering the issue by both the Electoral Commission and opposition members.

    Lowering the voting age
    Many submitters support lowering the voting age to 16. They argue that 16 and 17 year olds would have a better understanding of their rights and responsibilities as citizens through civics education at school, from which political engagement and voting habits could be developed and sustained.

    Submitters who oppose lowering the voting age believe that 16 and 17 year olds could be too easily influenced by their parents or mainstream media. The commission said that it would support consideration and public consultation on lowering the voting age to 16, noting that overseas evidence indicates that it may be easier to engage 16 year olds in the democratic process than 18 year olds.
    In 2007, Austria became the first member of the European Union to adopt a voting age of 16 (except at European Parliament elections, for which the voting age is 18). Electoral data shows that the turnout rates of 16 and 17 year olds were comparable to those of the wider electorate.

    In September 2014, Scotland allowed 16 and 17 year olds to vote in the Scottish Independence Referendum. About 75 percent of 16 and 17 year olds are reported to have voted, higher than 18–24 year olds (54 percent) and 25–34 year olds (72 percent). After the referendum, the British and Scottish parliaments agreed to reduce the voting age to 16 for parliamentary elections and local government elections in Scotland.

    We recognise that lowering the voting age would be a major change to the electoral system, requiring broad public consultation and a high level of political consensus. Provisions about the voting age in the Act are entrenched, and amending these would require a majority in a referendum or a 75 percent majority in Parliament. While the majority of the committee does not support lowering the voting age, some of the committee feel that this should be debated and considered further.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Fact-checking Parliament:…, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Not to threadjack, but I think everyone in a school's catchment should be able to vote for school boards. Education isn't just a service to the children currently at school, it's a service for the whole community.

    And if someone is in more than one catchment, because the zones overlap?

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Fact-checking Parliament:…, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I got a flyer saying if I’m enrolled and paying rates in one district and have a property in another I can be eligible to enrol as a ratepayer elector in the other community or local board area. This is for the local authority Elections on October 8 2016. So I can now vote twice. I find that rather unfair.

    The usual argument is that if you are paying rates to a council you should have a say in how those rates are set and how the money is spent. It certainly doesn't apply to everything, however. You don't get to vote in multiple wards/boards within a single district however.

    Do you also find it unfair that a parent with a child in a primary school and another at high school gets to vote on the School Boards of both schools, while a parent with kids in only one school only gets to vote on that school's board?

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Fact-checking Parliament:…, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Does one get automatically removed from the rolls when you are imprisoned? (and automatically reenrolled when released?)

    One does get automatically removed when imprisoned. I understand an enrolment form is provided to prisoners as part of the stuff they're given on their release. That isn't automatic.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: Not quite everything you ever…, in reply to Kimberley Wilcock,

    My son is on bail with a special condition that he remains at his place of residence between the hours of 8pm to 7am. Because he has not been sentenced as yet he does not have an electronic monitoring device fitted so the police have to visit his residence to check he is complying.

    This is all too common. They certainly don't have check every few hours, but they can and do often do this. They'll usually slow down a little as time goes on, but not always. I will note that you can be electronically monitored before being sentenced (this is called e-bail), so that can be worth looking into, although it would be odd to ask. Depending on the nature of the charge(s) your son is facing, it may be possible to ask to have the curfew condition cancelled or modified after a few weeks of complying with it.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Future Leaders for…, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I guess at nine one wouldn’t be too fussed about one consequence of that, which would be that NZers would no longer be able to drive overseas.

    A lot of adults aren't too fussed either.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Future Leaders for…, in reply to Glenn Pearce,

    If it’s the younger people who are less likely to vote, won’t lowering the voting age just decrease voter turnout (overall) anyway?

    It will decrease turnout as a percentage of enrolled voters, and will decrease turnout as a percentage of people of voting age. It will however increase turnout, and increase turnout as a percentage of New Zealand residents.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Future Leaders for…, in reply to Sacha,

    Where is our life-long investment in civic understanding?

    I'm not saying we shouldn't have this. In fact we should have this. But the lack of this should not be used to deny a class of people the vote.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: Future Leaders for…, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    There are groups of young people who have always wanted the vote. Been to a liberal secondary school lately? Perhaps you are just not looking in the right places. Go along to the handing over of the clean water petition to parliament today at 1 pm. I'm sure there will be teenagers there keen to vote.

    Well, this was a question. I'm sure there are kids who want to vote, but there don't seem to be anyone actually asking for it. There isn't really even a Facebook group. And if kids don't use Facebook any more, please let me know what they are using :-)

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

  • Legal Beagle: The Teapot Moan Scandal…, in reply to linger,

    In the teapot case, was Key sued for defamation as a Member of Parliament?

    Key was sued. He was a member of Parliament at the time.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3112 posts Report Reply

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