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Access: Fighting seclusion with collective activism

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  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    Sometimes methinks he’s used as a kind of sacrificial lamb.

    He is. Kevin Hague referred to him (I paraphrase) as Minister for Getting Thrown Under Buses.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    The official reason is probably something about ‘privacy’ or ‘safety’.

    Back in the early, early nineties when elderly with dementia were being channeled into the private facilities, a similar line was trotted out to family wishing to visit. Much easier to pop down and see Mum after work if she's in a 'home' in town, rather than in the facility out in the wops 3/4 hours drive away.

    So much in the way of bad care could be hidden by discouraging random visiting.

    Criticism of the care provided would be met with "If you don't like the way we do it....do it yourself." I kid ye not.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Paul Gibson, Disability Rights Commissioner has his say on this injustice

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11653081

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Kevin Hague gets it, in this blog post. He would be an excellent Minister of Health.
    https://blog.greens.org.nz/2016/06/09/ashley-peacocks-treatment-shows-a-mental-health-system-in-crisis/

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Kevin Hague gets it, in this blog post. He would be an excellent Minister of Health.

    I read that post earlier. It's really, really good.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Poor Sam Lotu-liga doesn't appear to be entirely in control of his own body. A bit like Doctor Strangelove's errant arm, Sam's bum seems to desperately seek to plant itself back onto the relative safety of his seat from the moment he stands up.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    It's good to hear the seclusion expert is visiting. I would have thought that a complaint to the UN Commission on Human Rights would be an option. Ashley may not be able to take a case under the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities, but why not a simple case under the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights?

    (Article 7: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
    Article 10.1 All persons deprived of their liberty shall be treated with humanity and with respect for the inherent dignity of the human person.)

    Presumably it is with an eye to such a case that the Human Rights Commission are bringing in the seclusion expert?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    The Human Rights Commission has previously taken some concerns under the Convention Against Torture against these seclusion cases, including, I think, Ashley's.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    a woeful performance by Sam Lotu-Iiga

    just watched. what an embarrassingly feeble man. caffeine-deprived, if I'm feeling generous.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    I actually felt sorry for him...

    Well, I can't truthfully say I feel sorry for him.

    He's not a little kid being forced to say stuff. He's not being made to represent the National Party. He always has the option to say No and deal whatever consequences his Cabinet overlords choose to inflict on him.

    He's chosen to be there and be part of the machine, to stand up as a Member of Parliament and say some stuff which has unjustified real and demeaning effects on other people's lives, either because he agrees with it or because he doesn't care.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    He also got a decent word into the I've Been Thinking section of Back Benches last night (8-June-2016). They don't seem to have it up on the youtube channel yet.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    While we're scrutinising Sam, who rather uncharacteristically ably fielded a question from Annette King about (potential?) means and asset testing for Home and Community Support Services for Older People inthehouse on Tuesday.

    Now, means and asset testing for HCSS is not a new concept, it was discussed in some depth (here by Treasury) as being a potential option.

    Another potential option was expecting families to provide more unpaid support.

    However....clarification was sought from his office and means and asset testing for HCSS was ruled out.

    They will increase eligibility requirements, and very possibly try and force those who own their own homes into residential 'care' (as then the property is then effectively owned by the government).

    In the meantime, while they are trying to sort out the Old People in a fiscally sustainable manner, younger disabled people with a desire to live outside of institutions are joining Poor Old Sam under the bus.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    While we're scrutinising Sam, who rather uncharacteristically ably fielded a question from Annette King about (potential?) means and asset testing for Home and Community Support Services for Older People inthehouse on Tuesday.

    Thanks Rosemary. I guess that illustrates just how much Sam realised he was on a hiding to nowhere defending Ashley Peacock's mistreatment.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    clarification was sought from his office and means and asset testing for HCSS was ruled out.

    There is already a degree of means testing in place for older people regarding Home and Community Support Services. Only personal care support is provided free of charge to older adults whose income is above a threshold. (I'm not sure what the threshold is, probably National Super). If you are an older adult with, for instance, income from a pension scheme on top of your National Super, you are not eligible for HCSS other than personal care. I have a good friend in this situation, who has to pay for assistance to go grocery shopping and keep her home and linen clean, but someone to listen outside the bathroom door in case she slips while showering is provided free of charge.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Ashley represents modern institutionalisation. Meanwhile Robert Martin, who grew up in the old institutions, is now at the other end of the disability spectrum at the United Nations in New York where he is our candidate for the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. This is a huge deal, but have not seen it covered anywhere in the NZ media. Even TVNZ which has a reporter based in New York hasn't mentioned it as far as I know.

    Here is the report from the Office for Disability Issues newsletter and a little clip from Attitude TV.

    Robert Martin’s United Nations campaign reaching climax

    The campaign for New Zealand disability rights advocate Robert Martin to gain a seat on the United Nations Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities is reaching its climax.

    The election is being held on 14 to 16 June at the Conference of States Parties to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities in New York. If his campaign is successful, Robert will be the first New Zealander and the first person with a learning disability elected to the Committee.

    The New Zealand Government nominated Robert for the Committee following consultation with the disability sector and the Human Rights Commission. His campaign has been supported by the Office for Disability Issues and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

    Minister for Disability Issues Nicky Wagner is attending the Conference of States Parties to support Robert’s candidacy.

    To learn more about Robert visit the Attitude Live website
    http://attitudelive.com/documentary/robert-martin

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Paul Gibson reports from the Human Rights Commission https://www.hrc.co.nz/news/paul-gibson-supporting-disability-advocate-robert-martin-bid-un/

    Robert and his People First colleagues have also been following Ashley's story from New York.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Kirsty Johnston finds another case of institutional abuse this time in the Waikato

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Yay Robert won. This is so much bigger than a win in sport. Let's wait for the tsunami of media coverage (not).

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Yay Robert won.

    Far out. And thanks once again for the heads up on Becoming A Person.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    media coverage

    Minister's media release.

    Herald.

    OneNews

    NewShub.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to Sacha,

    That's not bad coverage. Not quite what Steven Adams got (and they left NZ at about the same time) but this is disability, politics, international human rights, so not as significant for the MSM as sport..

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Kirsty Johnston finds another case of institutional abuse this time in the Waikato

    There is a very good reason why Himself and moi spend as much time as possible as far away from our Waikato home.

    The NASC has a default setting for residential "care" for those who's care needs are in the too hard basket.

    You have to earn the 'right' to live in your own home....

    Disability Support Link can help with home care, supported independent living, rehabilitation and respite.

    "It took several months before we could get her into a community home," Walters said.

    "She had to be able to stay overnight on her own and to be able to look after her personal needs."

    Of course, we all know that "being able to look after (your own) personal needs" is definitely not a requirement for 'independent living'....

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    And Natrad....

    Big cheer from the Bus in Kaitaia this am at the announcement...

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Kirsty keeps exposing disability injustice. Today the news that Nelson parents are being forced to send their autistic son to a residential school in Christchurch. This is against the Education Act and the legal right to attend your local school, and harks back to the years of institutions. But children are only ever allowed to attend a residential school for a maximum of two years so it is only delaying a local solution. Makes no sense.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Teina Pora's case can also be seen as another of disability abuse. Framed and imprisoned for years although his Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder and related ID would have been obvious to many of those involved in the processes, even though they might not have known exactly what it was.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

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