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  • steven crawford,

    I know, that was a pretty corny thing back there, but I did read in New Scientist not so long ago, that micro-dosing is all the thing in Silicon Valley today.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    No, new tech in itself doesn’t cause job losses. Rentier statists (such as Peter Thiel) that own and control most of the new tech do.

    RNZ Insight: New tech won’t cause mass job losses in NZ – study

    Automation and artificial intelligence may not cause the mass unemployment that is often predicted, according to new research shared with RNZ Insight.

    The study by the AI Forum says many workers will lose their jobs due to technological change, but it suggests new types of employment and government support, mean most people should be able to adapt. But it does warn some individuals could struggle.

    For the full story, tune in to RNZ Insight on Sunday after 8am.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    I’ve been thinking about New York Central Park. The designers wanted to reserve that public space so that everyone could meet on an even playing field. It was an egalitarian theory that worked out pretty well. It’s to mitigate some of the stress humans can experience when living in such a massive constructed environment. City’s are technology.

    The big national parks where designed by the same people, the Olmsteds. Again, the big vistas are reserved so we all get an equal chance of keeping our feet on the ground, metaphorically speaking.

    More and more automation is being introduced to our living environments. Facebook is an automation, as is Twitter. Even the book is an automatated narrative. So we look for things to keep us grounded. Garden supply shops know about that, then that gets automation to maximise profits.

    It’s god dammed strenuous to the soul. I make bits of hand made art in defiance, because robots are limited to engineering – there excluded from my privet garden park. The philosophers could say better stuff…

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

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  • Kumara Republic, in reply to steven crawford,

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  • Kumara Republic,

    Ann Pettifor, one of the few who correctly predicted the Great Recession, further reinforces what I wrote to begin with.

    RNZ Sunday Morning - Economist Ann Pettifor: 'The public are not stupid'

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

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    Fun fact: Kurt Vonnegut wrote about these topics in the novel "Player Piano" in 1952. Yes, the same year Helsinki held the Summer Olympics.

    It's long overdue for a movie adaptation, although player pianos are a bit obsolete these days. They've been replaced with autoplay streaming media, so when someone does get round to making the movie, here's what the promo poster might look like.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Kumara Republic,

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    It’s long overdue for a movie adaptation

    Apparently Alan Arkin had a go at a screenplay for it...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    New Zealand ranks in the bottom third of the OECD for spending on what are known as active labour market policies - government interventions to help people into meaningful new work. The organisation's report last year said Work and Income focuses largely on people receiving benefits, which only includes a minority of people made redundant. "As a result, social assistance and public employment support are reduced to a minimum and act very much as systems of last resort for displaced workers who end up in the welfare system… Displaced workers are, to a large extent, left by their own to find a new job."

    RNZ IN DEPTH 3 Sep 2018 - Why being made redundant in NZ is so tough

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Further wisdom from "recovering neo-liberal" Joseph Stiglitz on automation:

    Joseph Stiglitz on artificial intelligence: 'We’re going towards a more divided society'

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Also, I missed this one:

    Artificial intelligence: ‘Homo sapiens will be split into a handful of gods and the rest of us’

    Robotisation has reduced the number of working hours needed to make things; but at the same time as workers have been laid off from production lines, new jobs have been created elsewhere, many of them more creative and less dirty. So far, fears of mass layoffs as the machines take over have proven almost as unfounded as those that have always accompanied other great technological leaps forward.

    There is an important caveat to this reassuring picture, however. The relatively low-skilled factory workers who have been displaced by robots are rarely the same people who land up as app developers or analysts, and technological progress is already being blamed for exacerbating inequality, a trend Bank of America Merrill Lynch believes may continue in future.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Apologies for the thread necro, but I’ve finally found the time to post an epilogue. The issues I wrote about in August 2017 are still very much relevant, despite an electoral reprieve both here and overseas.

    The good news: in the middle of last year, I graduated from web dev boot camp after it finally got NZQA approval, and hence student loan approval. It seemed to better suit my style of learning by doing, and it wasn’t as gruelling as first thought.

    The bad news: the bubble seems to have deflated - AFAIK less than 20% of my cohort found work - and that was even before the COVID outbreak. There was no active job placement at the end as I had high hopes for, instead it was little different from a WINZ pep talk. I attended the Summer of Tech internship programme later in the year, but not even a single response back, given there were about 3 applicants to every available internship. The SoT window has since closed as I am no longer a recent graduate. I’ve had piecemeal gig testing work between then and now, although it’s allowed me to work from home. And I’m getting heartily sick of expensive wasted efforts every time I study something.

    I got in touch with the people behind Specialisterne NZ, and it’s still in “development hell”, despite some progress with the Accessibility Tick scheme. I’m also hoping against hope that the re-elected Ardern government hasn’t forgotten about the Future of Work policy it touted not too long ago – the COVID crisis would be the perfect opportunity to put it in the front seat.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    I’m also hoping against hope that the re-elected Ardern government hasn’t forgotten about the Future of Work policy it touted not too long ago – the COVID crisis would be the perfect opportunity to put it in the front seat.

    Okay, going to try not to grumble.
    Bit of context first. I’m a grizzle guts.
    Don’t get me started about the Ardern government!

    I get the disappointment in another way. I’ve done some adult education. I’m grateful for the student allowance and the interest free lone. It wouldn’t have mattered which government, they are all been pretty much the same since the 1980s. Neoliberal some say.

    I have two qualifications. Fabrication engineering. Thats means welding up heavy steel shit and trying to not get hurt. The old title is boiler maker. Puts me in the traditional blue collar working class. So I’d have had to vote Labour, but maybe the Values party which could have been seen as a waisted vote or protest, back in the day.

    I did that because I didn’t think I was capable of anything else. I didn’t think I was capable of that to be honest. It wasn’t parts of my theory of self, but here we now are.

    Then I earned an art degree, and I’m going to emphasise that – earned an art degree. It was absolutely hard yack due to dissaiblitys. While I was at school, the art room was my place. It was a respite from being the bad kid that wasn’t meeting the grade. And thats something the teachers of the day minded ramming home. All my school reports are basically fail , fail and fail of “he’s disruptive in class” and other such useful advice.

    There was the exception while I was attending a rural Maori school with the long history of having been a register native school. I remember a one day we used a horse during an improvised game of bullrush. All the adults worked at the freezing works.

    The art room was a respite. It was the place I could be properly myself. It was the place of empowerment for me. I’m not good at following dumb fuck rules. But I’m not anti social, so having something to contribute – art – gave me a seat at the table. Win win for everyone.

    Then I went to alternative high school where I tuned in and dropped … , luckily as it turns out. So I didn’t bother with silly reading and writing which obviously, because all the report cards, I could achieve.

    Achievement is a curios measurement/complement to feed children, bit like sugar. But let’s not go there, here, now.

    So, earning an art degree was not easy for me because it’s a real academic qualification. despite what it might look like to an outside observer. It requires the writing of academic stuff. Lot of academic writing and pontificating. And creating/inventing alternate communication methods and mnemonic devises . Not easy.

    I’m proud of that achievement. But it’s still only an art degree. It’s an achievement lolly pop. Middle aged bureaucrats (mainly women) go out and get them to pin on the hobby room wall. I know this because I’ve learned how to hold my knife and fork correctly and I occasionally attend dinner functions at stupid waist of money restaurants while wearing my snake skin shoes.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    The Ardern government?

    Is that one of the Facebook page things?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Whats not obvious. While the increase in benefits is good, the increase in the abatement threshold is even better. It’s raised for single, no dependents jobseekers, from $90 to $160 (gross) so thats $132 after tax.

    After the abatement threshold has been met the income support payments drop at the rate of 70 cents to the dollar until the benefit is no longer necessary because you’re earning $420 (net) on your own.

    Those two equations are pretty reasonable IMO. Just as long as you have a healthy place to call home.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Went out on the Coastguard boat and rescued a group of men who's boat was drifting out sea.

    I like volunteering to do work like without pay, reinforces the awareness we are useless without each other.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Went and did the oil-spill emergency response training today. Seperate from last nights searching for missing people at sea, but similar actors. Theres something nurturing about being ultra agreeable to authority and pedantic rules.

    Happy to serve.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

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