Hard News: About Arie
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Sacha, in reply to
I wonder whether those using the term Aspie are the very same I regularly hear in my local McDs attempting to order hambies
Yep, we just want snakes on our burgers. Not too much to ask..
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But its going to mean a more dificult investigation, and the need for extradition if a case can be made.
It probably removes the primary punishment against a police officer - dismissal. And most likely all the lesser employment punishments. Unless the Australian police body moved against the officer or officers, it really only leaves criminal charges, which are probably more difficult as the standard of proof tends to be higher.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
According to some of the crap I saw on Channel 7 during the week or two afterwards, Australians were practically the only authorities in Christchurch — certainly the only ones doing anything useful — and they were all heroes!
Australian media being awfully parochial in finding a local angle on an international news story? Thank Clio we never, ever do that here. [/snark]
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Cops were from NZ, according to this.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
Any failure to resolve a crime? Really? That’s a bit naive.
Not so much naive as overly idealistic. In much the same way as nzlemming rails against the police taking what are, in the circumstances, quite low-key measures to ensure they can respond to most eventualities promptly, blaming them for the society that requires this action, so I/S expects the police to be super-human, bereft of all human emotion or weakness, and then demands maximum punitive sanction when they fail to meet his impossible standards.
I/S, of course, adds the extra twist that any failure to meet those standards when chasing other cops who've not met those standards is systemic corruption, covering for its own, etc.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
Cops were from NZ, according to this.
Which makes it worse. We know that Aussie cops are thugs, and even though we'd expect their best behaviour when let out to play with others we'd still understand their confusion at being placed in a society that doesn't in any way condone the kinds of actions that're normal across the ditch. Kiwi cops have no excuse, and neither do the soldiers though I'll give them a pass on the grounds of not being law enforcers - I do hope, however, that NZDF finds out which unit it was and arranges for a very senior NCO to "talk" to them about the society in which they live.
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Kracklite, in reply to
It is a little-known fact (ie. I made it up) that donuts are, like the wafer in Catholic Communion, sacred food, being representations of Ouroboros and the cyclic nature of time.
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Sacha, in reply to
So US Police are just being worshipful then
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Kracklite, in reply to
…and pagan.
Note for spectators: typical Aspie behaviour is fascination with sets and logical play taken to illogical elaboration… by this time next week, I should have invented a whole religion, mythology, cosmology and eschatology based on donuts… but unlike L. Ron Hubbard, I won’t try to make a profit out of it. More likely, I’ll drop it and try to see if I can invent one based on millefiori paperweights, of which I have a nice collection (as opposed to light fittings).
Arie’s behaviour makes perfect sense. If the set or order of light fittings and doorknobs represents an ordered world for him (with fascinating variation within the set), then in the midst of such a chaotic event as the quake and its aftermath he would desperately try to hang on to that order as a kind of existential redoubt; the practise of creating that order by collecting and sorting being the thing, not necessarily the material objects themselves.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Cops were from NZ, according to this.
OK, am I the only person who thinks we’re drawing a distinction without a difference here? What may be acceptable -- or at least tolerated -- in the animal kingdom of Melbourne gang-land doesn't fly here. Ever. From nobody.
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Sacha, in reply to
subversive of them
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Cops were from NZ, according to this.
Yes. It appears Arie himself was mistaken.
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i reckon we need to get the PAS posse to try outstep the anti-looter posse over at KB.
if we put Craig in the front we can probably take 'em.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
if we put Craig in the front we can probably take ’em.
Oh, lovely. Always the designated human shield, never the gore-soaked Viking warlord...
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Che Tibby, in reply to
come on man, when else will you get a chance to wear pteruges?
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
respect where due of course
Really? Because I detected none of that.
In any case, the alternative to calling somebody an Aspie is calling them "people who have Asperger's disorder", which is more the equivalent of calling a hamburger a "patty of ground beef in a bun with lettuce, tomato sauce and sliced gherkin" when you go to McDonald's.
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
OK, am I the only person who thinks we’re drawing a distinction without a difference here? What may be acceptable – or at least tolerated – in the animal kingdom of Melbourne gang-land doesn’t fly here. Ever. From nobody.
Nobody's talking of accepting or tolerating, merely suggesting that it might be more understandable coming from Aussie cops because we generally expect Kiwi cops to not behave like gang-land enforcers.
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Sacha, in reply to
In any case, the alternative to calling somebody an Aspie is calling them "people who have Asperger's disorder"
I believe people with aspergers chose the term "aspie" (though I still have a lot to learn about the history). Plus I like the way it sounds.
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There was a television 'interview' of sorts with one of those nice trans-Tasman cop teams. He was from NZ (Palmerston North from memory), and he was simply from Australia.
Looters were featured as a topic of discussion on-air (I think it was these very officers that arrested a petty thief and his mate on suspicion of looting houses). The Kiwi said, paraphrasing, they are scum of the earth, with a tone that implied one knows what to do with such scum. The Aussie was visibly taken aback, and muttered that really, it was disappointing that people choose to undertake this activity.
I recall this in light of discussion here about Oi Oi Oi Police Officers being, well, Wild Western. I doubt for the majority of Aussie officers that they would 'import' their wild ways; they arrive in a country many don't know, with different policing culture, and plenty of cultural unknowns. The natural reaction, even I think for officers who do engage in a bit of rough justice, is to be very careful and circumspect - one never knows - there could be a camera recording them that their Kiwi counterpart hadn't told them about.
Which makes it slightly more believable that it was our own that well, pushed Arie down the stairs. The saving grace in that is least we don't need to worry about TransTasman policing relationships.
Which I think has been the major benefit of having Aussie cops here. There's nothing like working in a different (but somewhat similar) culture to break open one's mind. And the relationships / networks being built between NZ/Aus police will be invaluable in the years to come.
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Christopher Dempsey, in reply to
Oh, lovely. Always the designated human shield, never the gore-soaked Viking warlord…
Least your clutch matches your nails. That's the main thing, keeping up appearances when faced with baying wingnuts. :)
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BenWilson, in reply to
"patty of ground beef in a bun with lettuce, tomato sauce and sliced gherkin" when you go to McDonald's.
They put lettuce in them now? The innovation!
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Julian Melville, in reply to
And if the offence is actually committed, a person who incited or counselled someone to commit it is guilty of the offence itself as a party to the offence (and liable for the full sentence).
... /me ponders the possibility of the Police Minister serving time for being party to prison rape...
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From experience our cops are better than the Aussie ones …………………. But that’s a very backhanded compliment.
No doubt Michael Laws will at some point be discussing the investigation into the two thugs/bullies who are presently members of the NZ police ………………… and no doubt that discussion will endorse them and things like shooting looters or having them swinging from lamp-posts.
Michael Laws is the radio equivalent of Kiwi sewer, whoops , I meant kiwi Blog. They both present and play to the mean, ugly and scared face of New Zealand. They deal in stereotypes and the worlds just black and white to them. They probably both think it’s a good idea to sterilize any disabled people and would do it while they they are sterilizing all the solo mothers …………..
Also from experience the NZ police will protect their own and thwart the investigation.
They are experts at lying under oath …………………. I mean giving evidence
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Oh, lovely. Always the designated human shield,
I'll get your back :)
FWIW IMO
NZ Police can and have been known to beat up people. Henderson is getting a collection of them.Investigations pending. Old x cop friend has admitted to me that it happens.
NSW Police from when I lived there had fun beating up people. Committed their fair share of crime and were known to entrap citizens of blemished reputation to commit further crimes for personal reward. Not sure what they are like now.I know this, I was there.
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ScottY, in reply to
Kiwi cops have no excuse, and neither do the soldiers though I'll give them a pass on the grounds of not being law enforcers - I do hope, however, that NZDF finds out which unit it was and arranges for a very senior NCO to "talk" to them about the society in which they live.
I wouldn't be inclined to give anyone a pass for engaging in unnecessary violence against alleged offenders, regardless of the type of uniform they wear. If there is evidence that army people have been involved in an assault then they should be charged. Not "talked to".
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