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The patter on Mac's bottles, perhaps. Over at Speight's they still haven't mastered the difference between its and it's.
You know, it's funny that you should mention that. For bloody years the Mac's back label was a grammatical atrocity, with "its and it's" and more.
Things only improved after Lion bought them and could afford a better class of copyrighter.
PS: This is a classic example of mentally storing trivial information in the hope that it will be useful one day. The copy on the back label of the Epic pale ale (sponsors of the Dropkicks!) was written by Nick Sampson, formerly of the Netherworld Dancing Toys.
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it was a very robust and evidence-based policy process
Which seems to have had little impact on the way most local licensing decisions are still made.
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The Monteith's lager I'm enjoying on this humid eve has virtually nothing on its skimpy label - reminiscent of beach volleyball perhaps. And for the record I do not care whether my enjoyment is a matter of taste, cooling or buzz. The beer, that is, not the sport.
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Which seems to have had little impact on the way most local licensing decisions are still made.
It isn't law yet; it's still only a Bill!
And there are some interesting new provisions which allow territorial authorities to make, in consultation with their community, legally enforceable local alcohol plans. Local licensing decisions will then have to be made in accordance with the local plan.
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Ha! what is going on with the italics?
I've asked Matt to look at it. I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.
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I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.
Except that it does in preview. WTF?
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And in post
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but I had to add extra spaces to stop it attempting to mate with the next word
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I just hope Emma isn't too upset.
She's staunch as.
True. I'm over it. Thanks for the concern, but.
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Ha! what is going on with the italics?
I've asked Matt to look at it. I've also noticed that the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text.Italics formatting works in quoted text if there is something between the ">" and the double underscore (e.g. a space or carriage return). This was not previously the case.
Previously (and still) there must be a space or carriage return or similar before the start of italics; this__will__ not underscore the "will" and never has on PA system, as there is a letter immediately preceding the code. The change is that the ">" is no longer an acceptable character to have immediately preceding a double underscore.
I had to add extra spaces to stop it attempting to mate with the next word
I had thought that to have always been the case. However, it may have historically been that with the italicisation it looked smaller than required. The absolute no space (or carriage return) after a close double underscore is an older than the above problem, however.
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It isn't law yet; it's still only a Bill!
Sorry, James. I thought you were describing something that had already been done.
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the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text
I noticed earlier it doesn't work if you copy someone else's already-quoted text.
But I discovered another tasty glitch just now - same quote as above, with italics applied to the last two words:
the italic formatting no longer works in quoted text
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Public testing - how communitarian of us.. :)
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I'm not sure who died and made you God of who has to supply evidence. This is not a courtroom. A well formed case has a negative and an affirmative and both sides need evidence. I'm not a scientist nor a journalist and I don't have time to waste searching for any more evidence than the (so far) 100% observations I have made of the hundreds of children I have come into contact with and seen that they are disgusted by alcohol. If you have some contrary evidence how about you lead the way and supply it to the standards you want to hold me to.
My parents reliably inform me that both my younger sisters would ask for and like beer when they were kids. I on the other hand found it to taste rank and found myself more into rtd type drinks from around 16 onwards.
Now I find myself downing copious quantities of beer each week.
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My oldest really doesn't like strong flavours so giving him a sip of my wine or coffee was enough to put him off so much as asking again. I tried the same trick with my younger son and he really likes those "grown-up" tastes and will keep trying to sneak sips of whatever I am drinking.
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My great granddad drank himself to death when he was one hundred years old. he might have lived to one hundred and three or four. Tragic really.
A sobering lesson for us all.
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I wonder what he was drinking.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10551185
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We have a another dog, a dacshund, who licks toads and then staggers around the garden in a haze before lying in corner for 12 hours of so with a sore head.
Doggy may be smarter than you give her credit for.
While stories of smoking cane toad skins in Queensland have been around for years, now that the buggers have expanded their range to the Territory the kids up there seem to to have caught on.
No possible hallucinogenic effects from bufo toxin? Well they would say that wouldn't they.
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But I've observed them asking for it off their parents over the 37 years I've been alive and I've never yet seen a taker, with the exception of extremely sweet alcohol. That I have seen children return to. I feel the sweetness throws out that data a little, since it's obvious that children like sweet things. Is anyone going to ask me for scientific evidence of that?
I think that you have made the point that everyone has been trying to make and that is that we tend to prefer sweeter things when we are younger.
and you have made a case for why RTD's need to be knocked on the head. The sweet factor
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I'm so scared of alcohol, so I don't drink it. After 14 years tea totaling, I'm starting to realize that I'm going to have to eventually find some way of teaching my daughter how to deal with the stuff. I can't lead by example because I don't actually know how.
Now I have a minute, I want to go back to this.
My partner and I are both the children of alcoholics. We grew up in houses where there was no 'responsible drinking' example set.
We're both concerned about mitigating whatever genetic tendency there might be with a solid environment. We're conscious of modelling drinking with meals and, with social drinking, drinking in moderation.
We also let the kids have a shandy with a meal occasionally. I have no problem with that.
I have an acquaintance* who believes she and her husband model responsible drinking by never drinking at all. I can't get my head around that. For years after she left my dad, my mum kept a dry house, so the only example I had was his.
*meaning, person I've had a lot to do with whom I can't stand -
I have an acquaintance* who believes she and her husband model responsible drinking by never drinking at all.
It's fine to model not drinking as a valid choice but seems counter-productive to model that as the only way to handle alcohol. Worse still, I suspect, are the people who imbibe but only after the children have gone to bed. Surely a recipe for teaching children that drinking is most appropriately done on the sly.
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O hai. Going back to BenWilson's claim that alcohol tastes awful, Russell briefly mentioned people who are supertasters, and I thought it might help to expand on that a bit.
Wikipedia sez:
A supertaster is a person who experiences the sense of taste with far greater intensity than average. Among individuals of European descent, it is estimated that about 25% of the population are supertasters.
And it also mentions that alcohol is one of the things that supertasters are less likely to enjoy. O RLY?
The BBC has details of a DIY test to see if you're a supertaster.
Anecdotally, one of my favourite drinks at the moment is the Hawthorn Lounge's take on a Zombie. It has five different types of rum, but is also grapefruit based and actually doesn't taste alcoholic . I'd happily drink one with or without booze in it.
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I have an acquaintance* who believes she and her husband model responsible drinking by never drinking at all.
Not drinking is fine if done in moderation, I say.
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This has been a truely engaging thread...
Random observations: loxodonts seek out over-ripe fruits (of several kinds) because they appreciate both the taste & the effects. Asian elephants will raid villages that have breweries.
Small children within my whanau will sip light beer and smack their lips with gusto. My neighbour's children love olives (and have done so since being 2 yr olds.) I cant stand the smell or taste of asparagus.
I love alcoholic drinks - but my primary reason for ingesting them is NOT to get drunk (that can come as a welcome by-product.) I love the very complex sensory pleasures - smell, taste, colour (the same way I really enjoy smoking the occaisional cigar, or drinking coffee) and the interaction between those senses.
And the additional pleasures when you drink (or eat) with other people - conversation about single malts, or seafood, or especial wines associated with especial people & places.
BenWilson, I'm not buying an argument (& wont reply to any you raise) but your constant emphasis on "nasty", "yukky", "toxic" for things that have given humans - and other animals - pleasure & ease for uncounted millennia is a little less than insightful on your part - and a truly interesting insight to you as a person...
the first inebriants may have actually have been fungi & honey, just incidentally.
It's stopped raining in the OFR. The night is cool. The sunset boded well for fine weather apopo. I'm drinking a dram of Finlaggin before heading to bed after an 8-hour drive. Slainthe!
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There is a fascinating event called "the Cold Kiwi" at which you can watch Woodstock Bourbon and Cola in the wild. Attendance provides some remarkable insight into parts of Kiwi culture that perhaps should best only exist in print and films.
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