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Hard News: DNC 2016: Beyond weird, most of the way to scary

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  • Tom Semmens,

    Probably by the Russians? I would say certainly. Trump's foreign policy in relation to Eastern Europe is popular in Moscow, and incidentially might just save us all from nuclear war.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2210 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    What, "President Putin, I say to you, build a wall"?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1886 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to linger,

    What, “President Putin, I say to you, build a wall”?

    and make them pay for it!

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Boden,

    It looks more and more like Trump and Putin are going to agree to divide up the "spoils" in Europe. Those "unswayable" Sanders supporters should perhaps re-assess their priorities.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 80 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Boden,

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 80 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    And the media narrative will focus on finding and amplifying the "Trump over Hillary" BernieBros, because anything that can help tilt the field towards Trump is good. Sorry, I mean "conflict and excitement means clicks".

    On the other side, I don't think this will actually be the incident that makes politicians start caring about reinforcing electronic privacy rather than stripping it away, but I hope it will help.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1193 posts Report Reply

  • Tristan,

    Most of the angry Bernie supporters I see are either white, male, collage educated or a combination of all three. i.e incredibly privileged

    They don't see a difference between Trump and Clinton because for them nothing personally changes for them if either of them get elected. They can afford a protest vote and don't much care about those that can't

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 221 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    where collage educated = having a patchwork of simple beliefs that don’t quite accurately correspond to reality, and are glued together only by unshakeable faith in one’s own importance (cf. also Trump University educated )

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1886 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    So the hierarchy of the Democrat Party has been proven to have been actively subverting their pseudo-democratic electoral process. I suppose the left feels obliged to prove that they can do moral corruption as well as the right, because that's the new normal and they feel they must compete accordingly?

    If Vladimir really did get his hackers into the DNC email server & send the result to Wikileaks, he's becoming quite a player on the global stage, huh?

    Vlad: "British diplomatic expertise was exhibited by their new government fronting with a guy called Boris. Now, if soul brother Donald changes his name to Igor, we'll all get on really well!"

    Polls now indicate a resurgence for the soul brother - and look what this leftist comic is predicting... http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Joe Boden,

    opinion/donald-trump-the-siberian-candidate.html

    Contained this observation:

    For one thing, Mr. Putin is someone who doesn’t worry about little things like international law when he decides to invade a country. He’s “what you call a leader,” declared Rudy Giuliani after Russia invaded Ukraine.

    The US has such a short memory - Iraq anyone?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7885 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Boden,

    "Trump Credits One Of 'Our Friends' In Russia, China With DNC Hack"

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-dnc-hack-friends-in-russia

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 80 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Wonderful speech by Michelle Obama. I wish she was standing.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Because nothing I think or say affects the outcome in any way whatsoever, I've decided to back the Bernie supporters. Fight the power dudes!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Michelle followed by Elizabeth Warren. Enough to cheer many an old lefty feminist.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Zach Bagnall,

    The chanters in the audience are getting on my wick - Bernie, BLM, etc - for some reason the mic picks it all up and the speakers are having to shout over them to be heard, even with the PA. Sort it out ffs.

    Most of the angry Bernie supporters I see are either white, male, collage educated or a combination of all three. i.e incredibly privileged

    They don't see a difference between Trump and Clinton because for them nothing personally changes for them if either of them get elected.

    Are you conflating the Bernie-or-bust fringe (who claim they'll vote Trump before Clinton) with the majority of regular Bernie supporters? The latter group certainly can tell the difference between Trump and Clinton and will vote accordingly.

    Colorado • Since Nov 2006 • 120 posts Report Reply

  • Zach Bagnall,

    The unwillingness of the richest country in the world to provide healthcare for it's citizens is just incomprehensible. It is beyond tragic that the issue has been kicked down the road by 8 more years.

    Colorado • Since Nov 2006 • 120 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Tristan,

    They don't see a difference between Trump and Clinton because for them nothing personally changes for them if either of them get elected. They can afford a protest vote and don't much care about those that can't

    Bazinga! And dare I say it, the same people who were most vociferously sneering at women who apparently "voted with their vaginas" (I still can't figure out how that works) and "low-information" black and Hispanic voters who didn't come to Progressive Jesus from the whitest state in the Union.

    So the hierarchy of the Democrat Party has been proven to have been actively subverting their pseudo-democratic electoral process. I suppose the left feels obliged to prove that they can do moral corruption as well as the right, because that's the new normal and they feel they must compete accordingly?

    Dennis: Please consider my imaginary pearls firmly clutched that the disdain Sanders and his surrogates feel towards people they happily accused of active voter suppression and outright fraud was entirely mutual. At least they had the decency not to do it in public.

    As for your "pseudo-democratic" sneer, I'd apply that to caucuses that very obviously exclude a lot of people who can't afford to take a working day off to hang around in a hall. But I guess they're OK for BernieBros when you win those, right?

    A primary is exactly that -- and if you're participating in closed primaries with registration deadlines, then the thing to do is organize a competent registration/turnout operation, AKA campaigning 101. Not scream "corruption" when you lose.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kiwiiano, in reply to Zach Bagnall,

    The worry is that Bernie's supporters will storm off in a huff and not bother to vote, handing the Prez to Trump by default.

    ChCh • Since Nov 2006 • 46 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Kiwiiano,

    The worry is that Bernie’s supporters will storm off in a huff and not bother to vote, handing the Prez to Trump by default.

    There will be some – and US TV seemed to be lining up to interview them afterwards – but any Sanders supporter who wasn't convinced by his speech will never be convinced. They're on some other trip.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Zach Bagnall, in reply to Kiwiiano,

    Maybe, but probably offset by the same number of conservatives who can't bring themselves to vote for Trump either. And a number of people who wouldn't normally vote may vote this time just to oppose one of the candidates.

    This election is completely bizarre.

    Colorado • Since Nov 2006 • 120 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Because nothing I think or say affects the outcome in any way whatsoever, I’ve decided to back the Bernie supporters. Fight the power dudes!

    Dude, if you’re going to go down the "nothing I say will make any difference anyway" road, man up and declare for Trump!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Zach Bagnall, in reply to Russell Brown,

    There will be some – and US TV seemed to be lining up to interview them afterwards

    The never-Clinton spite-voter seems completely overblown to me. I'm sure there are a few idiots but they're not representative. I went to a Bernie rally earlier this year - in Portland even - and there was no anti-Clinton vibe that I could detect. It was positive and policy focussed. I doubt that has suddenly changed since he conceded.

    Colorado • Since Nov 2006 • 120 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Zach Bagnall,

    The never-Clinton spite-voter seems completely overblown to me. I’m sure there are a few idiots but they’re not representative.

    And the Pew polling says you're right. It's just unfortunate that those people are getting a lot of airtime.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    So the hierarchy of the Democrat Party has been proven to have been actively subverting their pseudo-democratic electoral process. I suppose the left feels obliged to prove that they can do moral corruption as well as the right, because that’s the new normal and they feel they must compete accordingly?

    Except that the emails show nothing of the kind.

    If Vladimir really did get his hackers into the DNC email server & send the result to Wikileaks, he’s becoming quite a player on the global stage, huh?

    And he's not such a bad guy really?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Zach Bagnall,

    Didn't the emails show DNC staffers pushing negative stories to the press about Sanders' religious views (in states sensitive to that topic) and suggesting a media-friend narrative for his failure? That seems on the nose for an organisation that is supposed to be - and claimed to be - neutral.

    (Plus a much greater amount of plain old pissy attitude which is completely understandable - they're human).

    Colorado • Since Nov 2006 • 120 posts Report Reply

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