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  • Andy Milne,

    I would also recommend plenty of time on hands and knees, rocking

    This is apparently good also for bringing on labour if you're overdue.

    Christchurch • Since Aug 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • Shazza,

    This is apparently good also for bringing on labour if you're overdue.

    Porn movies work for this - as recommended by my very knowledgeable midwife, who also provided said video at about 10 days overdue. Worked a treat ... gets all the right hormones working apparently.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2008 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Porn movies work for this

    Heh. Oh lord, *there's* a birth story. 'And Sasha Grey inspired him to come into the world...'

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Porn movies work for this

    Excuse me, but what happened to having sex?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Probably harder to organise for some..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Yes, I was making unwarranted assumptions wasn't I?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Or a curry?

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Or all those things at once. Spare no expense, that's what I say.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Excuse me, but what happened to having sex?

    Nothing! That's what got you there in the first place.Once again, let me tell you 'bout the birds and the bees.....

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    You seemed to have trailed off. Tell me more about the birds and the bees.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Also - Baby on Board signs.

    I used to think they might be read as "Baby! I'm bored". Just as long as it isn't the baby driving, they aren't too bothersome..

    My wife and daughter have spent the day hauling 18+ years of stuff out of our basement (including boxes packed away when we went to Wales in 2003). They are now sitting in the carport, pouring over old photos and drawings. I fear it is going to be a long process! But I am sure there are some old tin toys stowed away down there.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2537 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I used to think they might be read as "Baby! I'm bored".

    My next door neighbour (and midwife) has that one.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    ....the flowers and the trees and the moon up above, and the thing called love... then... BABIES! Basically G.T, the birds are wandering into my house and one shat on the rug. The bees are missing at the mo, save for the odd (not looking but odd none the less) bumble bee. Our birds were hatched in the trees out side the back and have hung around for 2 years now but boy, can the little ones shit.I've called one "little shit"

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

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    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth,

    telling me I was adopted

    this thread has covered a huge range of stuff and I haven't kept up with it all. So sorry if this has been covered.

    But do bear in mind there are also the involuntarily childless couples out there. Done the fertility treatment thing. Unsuccessfully. Dipped the toes in the (miniscule in NZ) adoption pool with no result. Etc.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 458 posts Report Reply

  • kmont,

    Oh Stephen C, am reading your Invisible Boy link, had to take a digestion break after a third, but so far it really hard hitting and I feel that I am learning something.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • JackElder,

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    Steady on, sir, there's no call for that kind of language.

    Wellington • Since Mar 2008 • 708 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Phil Lyth - my mother was extremely fertile, but her mother and her aunts- werent. Nor were my sisters.
    The reason for the intergenerational inferility almost certainly was
    endometriosis.(And, almost certainly, from the Scots side of the whakapapa.) Which affected my 3 sisters' desire for large families.*
    They produced 2 children, but raised 5 (one sister settled, after long & arduous IVF treatments, for much-loved pets.) And yep, they went the IVF & adoption routes...

    I know the anguish & heartbreak infertility can cause (bear in mind, 2 of my sisters are midwives.) But- I cant see anything in this thread that would cause them other than pleasure that people are sharing & caring about a matter close to their hearts.

    *I also had endo for over 45 years. It made 5-6 days a month a real pain, but other than that, didnt matter at all. I've never wanted to breed little islands.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Oh Stephen C, am reading your Invisible Boy link, had to take a digestion break after a third, but so far it really hard hitting and I feel that I am learning something.

    Thankyou Kowhai, I appreciate your effort. Its not an easy read.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4311 posts Report Reply

  • dyan campbell,

    Oh Stephen C, am reading your Invisible Boy link, had to take a digestion break after a third, but so far it really hard hitting and I feel that I am learning something.

    Thankyou Kowhai, I appreciate your effort. Its not an easy read.

    Yes, I read it too Stephen - heartbreaking stuff. Thanks for posting that.

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 595 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    much-loved pets

    What a jolly good idea. Many need a home right now, according to 3 news tonight.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Steve B, yes, in any language, it is decidedly so.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Dinah Dunavan,

    I started reading this thread late and have had a lot of catching up to do.
    Going back to some earlier comments on this thread.

    I can understand, without agreeing with the policy, why some early feminists would not allow boy babies to be brought to their meetings.*

    When I was an emerging feminist there was a lot of talk about the way women act around men. I'm not trying to start a discussion about that, it is just what was being talked about. There were studies that I'm sure were published in academic journals of the time (of course it was so long ago that I've long since disposed of any notes I might have had) that looked at how woman behave around men, including boys and boy babies, and how that effected their ability to have free and frank discussions. I recall reading about studies that showed in group discussions men thought that the women dominated the discussions and it was in fact the reverse. The discussions were anything but free for the women as the men tended to interrupt the women and steer the discussions. I'm not saying that these studies were definitive, just that they were what I, and other feminists, were reading about 20-30 years ago. Women were just beginning to realise, or have it pointed out to them, that men, even babies, hog the lime-light. Women could put their daughters on the floor to play and let them get on with it but they would be constantly distracted by their demanding sons. True? I don't know. I do remember watching a film of a study of women interacting with children, the women behaved very differently towards children they were told were boys. (Wish I kept my old text books and notes now.)

    So in 1970s and 80s women were saying "we can't have free and frank discussions if men are present, and look even boy babies can make us behave in a way that will disrupt our meeting. So we wont have any boys at all".

    I'm not saying that I believe this, frankly I'd organise a creche and keep all the little attention grabbers out of the meeting all together.

    *As an aside to Emma, I will never be able to understand why anyone would tell a woman she shouldn't bring her sons to a refuge if that would delay her escape one minute longer than necessary.

    Dunedin • Since Jun 2008 • 186 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Dinah - was it that 'that men, even babies hog the limelight'? Or that some women - maybe a majority - let 'em?

    I was brought up in a matriarchial family, and, in my own way, I am a matriarch. I've never yet met a male speaker, in an own-tribe marae situation, who will twice cross the Aunties...

    I think - without rigorous scientific backing- some of the studies you mention (mea culpa- I havent read them yet, altho' I have read similar) are limited to certain racial/socioeconomic groups of women?
    Things were - and very much still are - done quite differently among other groups. As anybody who was present at the launching/renewal of Te Rau Aroha marae is rather aware of-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    a study of women interacting with children, the women behaved very differently towards children they were told were boys

    I remember that one from our first year Psychology textbook. Parents of both genders spent twice as long talking with toddlers who they thought were girls (pink clothing), holding them close and interacting attentively. They tended to put the 'boys' (blue clothing) out on the floor with toys and left them to it. Somewhat undercuts your argument, sorry, though its probably right for older boys.

    are limited to certain racial/socioeconomic groups of women

    Don't recall but it was conducted quite a while ago so I'd say you're right.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

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