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Hard News: History is now

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  • Alastair Jamieson,

    Who's the world's greatest democracy now, hmm?

    Well Emma, point taken, but today, actually, I think perhaps it's the USA again. If any of the speeches after our election on Saturday make me feel anything like this one does, I'd agree unreservedly...

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Wouldn't the world be a better place if he's beating Dubya in 2000?

    I think the world would be a better place if just about anyone had beat Dubya in 2000. Gore, McCain, a monkey...

    My bet is that he'll go two terms, and even then, if the Dems lose it will be because they can't find a half-way good successor.

    The successor will be interesting. Biden is 66 now, 74 in eight years. He probably won't stand. Which means either a different VP candidate in 4 years, or a person not from the 2012 ticket standing.

    And then he beat the best Rep candidate since pre-Nixon days.

    One suspects Ronald Reagan might be rated as a better candidate, depending on your criteria.

    I think the Repubs are toast, as a single party. I heard one guy, I think on BBC, say that Obama had "broken the Republican coalition" and I think that is indeed what has happened.

    Meh. This is relatively minor, compared to say, Watergate. Bush will be shoved out the door ungraciously and the party will move on in its muddling way. 8 years from now they'll be a strong, morals, christian base party again. Too many people that want that in America for it not to work. It'd be nice to say that the whacko fundies would dwindle off into not much, but that's a big part of the electorate in America.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Irvine,

    If Palin had got in:
    *crosses fingers on the embed*
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    you tube link

    Auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 242 posts Report Reply

  • Jake Pollock,

    Again, I have to be pedantic and point out that it's about finding solace in the mysery of FRIENDS, not Limbaughs.

    Are you sure about that? I've looked around a little bit and all I get is 'malicious joy'. No sign of friends in the various dictionaries and other sources I've looked at. Of course I don't read German, so I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    Raumati South • Since Nov 2006 • 489 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Anyone know what publication had the "behind the scenes on election day with the Obama's" reporters? Embedded journalism that I'd quite like to see, stage managed as it may be.
    Time perhaps?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    james:

    A hard left activist who seemed to only associate with the most radical and dodgy of characters

    you see, he's talking, but all i can hear is "clip clop clap! who's that walking on MY bridge!"

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Are you sure about that? I've looked around a little bit and all I get is 'malicious joy'. No sign of friends in the various dictionaries and other sources I've looked at.

    There's nothing like being both pedantic and wrong, innit? My apologies.

    So we are lacking a word for finding solace in the misfortune of friends. Any suggestions?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Rowe,

    So we are lacking a word for finding solace in the misfortune of friends. Any suggestions?

    It's called being a prick.

    Lake Roxburgh, Central Ot… • Since Nov 2006 • 574 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Well Emma, point taken, but today, actually, I think perhaps it's the USA again. If any of the speeches after our election on Saturday make me feel anything like this one does, I'd agree unreservedly...

    Democracy is a process, dude, not an end result.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    It's called being a prick.

    Soooo.... prickness?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Edward Siddle,

    quote:So we are lacking a word for finding solace in the misfortune of friends. Any suggestions?

    Schadenfreudefreunde?

    Schaden=injury, damage, disadvantage
    freude = joy, delight
    Freunde = friends

    but more punningly SchadenfreuNde might work (it might not make much sense to a german tho).

    Wellington • Since Sep 2008 • 54 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Prickery.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • James Bremner,

    Well this didn't take long.

    Asians uneasy over Obama trade stance

    http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20081105&id=9350503

    I don't think Mexico or Canada were too happy about Obama's talk of unilaterally renegotiating NAFTA either.

    And in our own little NuZild

    Time will tell as to whether Barack Obama’s ascension to the US presidency is a blessing or a curse for NZ business.
    Mr Obama made his staunch protectionist credentials a central theme of his election campaign, in stark contrast to Republican candidate John McCain, an ardent free trader.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-exporters-face-uncertainty-under-obama-37417

    NOLA • Since Nov 2006 • 353 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    I'll go to vote, on a not-work-day, and be able to just walk straight into the booth and vote. I know I'll be on the roll. The whole thing will take five minutes. And when they've got my vote, know what they'll do with it? Count it.

    Yeah. And one of the great things in NZ is we're one of the few countries which doesn't let anyone campaign on election day. We say 'OK, you've said your bit, Now, STFU for 24 hours while we have our say.' I love it.

    Also I like the fact the nearest polling booth to where I live is an ordinary Kiwi garage, about 30 metres away.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I speak German and my impression is that Gio is technically correct. The more common use of Schadenfreude is not in the joy at the sorrow of enemies, it is in the secret joy that many of us feel in the sorrow of friends. But it's one of those words that has morphed in meaning, and today the foreign usages probably outnumber the originals. I don't think the Germans never used it on enemies, but the connotation that Schadenfreude is shameful suggests that it would more commonly be used the other way. Enjoying the downfall of the evil is not especially shameful.

    So you can still use it that way, Gio, and feel pedantic and right. You just can't tell others off without them feeling it right back at you.

    I share the hope of Rose from "Two and a half men" that Glaukenstucken might also catch on, as a word to describe "Feeling guilt about having felt Schadenfreude". I'm feeling it but I don't have a real German word, so a pseudo will do. Probably "Schadenfreudenschulde" would be more accurate.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Probably "Schadenfreudenschulde" would be more accurate.

    I have no idea about accuracy but it sure would be more awesome!
    Personally I think it should be Schadenfredensnoodle but that may offend "the purists"

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Jake Pollock,

    Well there you go then. The United States elect an African American president, and the vagaries of the interpolation of foreign words into a language built on shameless appropriation means that we are all correct. What a day to be alive.

    While we are diverted by a discussion of succinct words in foreign languages, I share 'Mamihlapinatapai' with you all, in the hope that it catches on.

    Raumati South • Since Nov 2006 • 489 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Foreign obscure word relevant to an earlier thread:

    Tartle. It's Gaelic: it means 'to hesitate when meeting someone the name of whom you can't recall.'

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • James Bremner,

    Che,

    Whether or not you put much stock on Obama's associates and collegues, its hard to argue that there weren't more than a few shall we say "colourful" ones. Imagine if McCain had had a connection, however tenuous, with Eric Rudolf, the abortion clinic bomber. People would have gone spastic about it and quite correctly. How is Bill Ayers much different? And dispite his protestations, Obama had a significant relationship with Ayers. Ayers picked him to be the head of the Annenberg Challenge. The only reason Ayers isn't still rotting in jail is that the FBI screwed up part of its case against him. And to boot to this day Ayers is not just unapologetic, he thinks he didn't do enough. That is just not good. If it would be appalling for McCain to associate with Rudolf (however tenuous), why is it not appalling for Obama to have associated with Ayers?

    Let's hope Obama does do the moderate thing. He has apparently offered Rahm Emanual his Chief of Staff job. Emmanual is a sharp operator, but a hyper partisan, arguably the most partisan Dem in the house. Doesn't seem like a sign of bi partisanship.

    NOLA • Since Nov 2006 • 353 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    'Bwwwaaaarrrr!!1!! Who are these billy goats gruff!"

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    The only reason Ayers isn't still rotting in jail is that the FBI screwed up part of its case against him.

    One of several reasons that Ayers isn't still rotting in jail is that he never killed or injured anyone as part of the Weather Underground. The worst action he could have been convicted of was blowing up buildings, which wouldn't carry at 30 year prison sentence.

    Eric Rudolf on the other hand, killed a couple of people, and injured many others.

    But keep on making things up. I think Che is entertained.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    kyle, i heard troll-food is on sale at mitre-10 mega. assuming you run out.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Blake Monkley,

    My pick for the kids puppy is a pit-bull with lipstick!

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Jake Pollock,

    So, fivethirtyeight tells us that turnout wasn't that much higher. I wonder if there was a tradeoff between new people voting for Obama and Republicans staying at home, or if the much touted increase in registration turned to nought.

    Raumati South • Since Nov 2006 • 489 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    i do feel concern that there seems to be more celebration in NZ over the US voting in a black president than there ever was in NZ electing a female prime minister.

    not forgetting that for days there has been an ad to the right of these boards reminding us that all politicians are liars

    furthermore considering the closest 'darky' to reaching the top position in NZ has just been more or less politically castrated for doing little more than accept donations

    in light of the fact that obama's victory was inextricably inked by a victory of donations and capital raised.

    knowing full well that when a maori finally attains the coveted NZ captaincy there won't be half the hyperbole. (which does highlight something positive about our nature)

    and no disrespect to to Obama; he has great teeth and and has said the right words. I'm just left with kind of in awe of how successful the wires and wirelesses have been in turning the droves into US drones.like a giant Truman show.

    just days out from a NZ election where neither of the major parties has suggested anything more than fresh ways to tread water.

    congratulations to the Obama campaign,

    4 more years of totalitarianism there
    and NZ is about to start its next 3 year tour of duty
    with scant choice between two 20th century monoliths
    most distinguished by the frequency of the light bouncing off the representatives respective neckties and flare;

    made all the more worrying by R.B's lack of a post today just hours out, to remind us that yes, yesterday was history but Saturday could also be, albeit not on the grand scale of the greatest sporting extravaganza on earth, just witnessed. but

    most relevant.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

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