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  • Craig Ranapia,

    because i like the name eleanor, reminds me of the four term FDR, and the impossible dream that somehow obama (assuming he's as good as everyone's hoping he'll be) could somehow lift the two term limit.

    Mark: The only way to do that is repeal the Twenty Second Amendment to the Constitution. As an advocate of same-sex marriage, I've good reason to be thankful that Article Five deliberately set the bar high enough that it is difficult, and slow, to clear.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Troy - False.
    Black is pretty definitional in the US. They don't really do half/half. He's certainly got about the best claim I've ever heard to the term "African/American"though!

    Guys do I really need to stay awake long enough to explain how that ever so slightly offensive. What the hell is this, apartheid era South Africa and we're quibbling over the point where you're too black to be coloured, too coloured to be white, and whether you're good enough at rugby to he an honorary honky for a couple of weeks.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • TroyHoward,

    re: 1/2BPOTUS

    I agree with you Gareth...

    though it does raise an interesting dilemma. The colour of his skin does matter.

    Imagine if his mother was black and dad was white, and his skin colour was really really tanned not as black as it is.

    What then? Would he be called "Black" then?
    .
    ....

    lets just forget the BPOTUS...he is an AAPOTUS.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • TroyHoward,

    WOAH Craig....let's not go there.....

    I'm just expressing thoughts about the the whole labelling thing in general.

    I'm a little speechless... but I understand where your coming from.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Mark: The only way to do that is repeal the Twenty Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    Yeah, I hear you craig, it's nothing short of wishful thinking, but a man's gotta dream...glad you showed up when you did. I haven't been so systematically maligned since the abortion debate.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    sorry, should read Craig.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    I haven't been so systematically maligned since the abortion debate.

    Just don't mention you drive an SUV.

    Just sayin'

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Craig, I thinking you're over-reading my comment if you think I was being offensive. It was an honest view of how the US (and a lot others) use the label...
    To suggest I was trying to question his "colouredness" or anything to do with apartheid is the offensive piece mate.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    To suggest I was trying to question his "colouredness"

    Heh, I can see it now "Is it 'cos I is white?"

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    Moving away from the race discussion and moving onto something far more interesting.

    IMHO Michelle Obama will be the hottest First Lady of all time.

    Just a personal opinion; always thought Jackie Kennedy was slightly overrated.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Heh, I can see it now "Is it 'cos I is white?"

    Those half-black foreign power brokers are always holding me down man...
    =P

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    LegBreak: 50 points

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • TroyHoward,

    thanks Gareth...

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    No need to thank me - I think Craig may have just misinterpreted what I wrote.
    Easy to come across the wrong way in 8-point text only :>

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, I thinking you're over-reading my comment if you think I was being offensive. It was an honest view of how the US (and a lot others) use the label...

    Can get we just fucking get over it? His mother is white, his father is black. He's of mixed-race heritage like a lot of people in this world (myself included), and however "honest" other people's racial neurotics are, it's time to grow up. And to be honest, one of the more distasteful features of the campaign was seeing a nasty underside of black racism, with the whole shtick about whether Obama was "black enough" or "acting white".

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    giovanni, danielle, sam F etc re:drones, brainwashed and mindless.

    John Key's presidential-style flying tour hit its first hiccup this afternoon as the National leader was met in Christchurch by Labour supporters chanting "the world is voting left".

    the world is voting left.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4751942a28435.html

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Eleanor,

    But Eleanor is still the hottest First Lady name, right?

    wellington • Since May 2007 • 81 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    o yeah!

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • TroyHoward,

    Craig..that's kinda the point I think we were trying to make. The whole labelling thing was getting ridiculous.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    mark taslov: is this what you were trying to say?

    It's kind of hard to tell, because you seem to be spoiling for a fight so hard you're incoherent.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3121 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Craig, you're discussing the use of black/white definitions there but telling us to stop doing the same?

    I agree with everything you said there, so please direct the vitriol elsewhere, thanks.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig..that's kinda the point I think we were trying to make. The whole labelling thing was getting ridiculous.

    Oh crap - peace breaks out again. Try calling me a liberal lick-spittle, that always roils the blood. :)

    the world is voting left.

    Except in Canada. Still, if I was Key I'd be damn chuffed an opposition rentamob was trrying to stir it up. You worry when your opponents have decided you're not enough of a threat to bother with.

    And if I was that way inclined, I know one GMILF I'd be courting next time I'm down Christchurch way:

    National supporter Judith Parrot, 75, said she had been pushed by Labour supporters and she had pushed back.

    "I'll push them around too, I can be very vocal. I've been working for National since 1975 and I'm still doing it.''

    Do not fuck with the Tory Battleaxe -- their skins are leathery, and elbows sharpened from decades of sales seasons.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Except in Canada.

    And France. And Germany. And the British Tories aren't doing too badly nowadays.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    hi stephen judd, how are you? maybe in the second paragraph of my initial post i came closest to saying something like that and latterly after the abuse started and whatnot i said something along similar lines, but no, that's not what i was initially saying at all, , i naively wrote a single post,
    essentially saying:

    1. there wasn't as much fuss when a female was elected to PM in NZ
    2. politicians are liars
    3. winston's maybe the closest NZ has ever come to having a maori PM
    3. obama received a lot of donations, and winston has been put through the wringer for accepting 'illegal' donations, whatever that really means.
    4. doubting that the NZ media will make as much fuss when a maori becomes NZ PM
    5. Obama has good teeth and words
    6: people care alot hence "the world is voting left!" (above)
    7. 2 days out from NZ election and where's Russell?
    8 congratulations to the obama campaign
    9. the Major NZ parties are still on the whole indistinguishable
    10. between elections life returns to much the same kind of scenario as you get in a totalitarian countries except you have enforced drinking age.
    11. I'm worried that Russell isn't here, because i need his spiritual guidance.
    12. small portion of the world voting left on Saturday is preferable.

    mainly inspired by the link someone made the other day to the other day, "I'm over obama", and the fact that the US election has been dully predictable.

    i'm not spoiling for a fight at all, wasn't/ haven't been/ etc
    i had no idea drone would get turned into brainwashed and giovanni would tell me i'm wanking on. was just writing my thoughts I've got no reason to fight, no vote to cast, no party to support, it's just another day in another week here, I'm not really interested in the US election, but I'm interested in the NZ election, cos that's kind of close to home. sure i'll be the projected enemy if danielle and whoever wants it, but it's mainly just a misperception of opinions proffered that aren't people's shiz. and thanks for asking stephen, I've always felt regret that you gave up on me so early on in the abortion thing, sure i don't write what people always want to hear, but i think my thoughts are as valid as anyone elses and while i attack systems and abstracted groups, you'll never see me cast the first stone in a personal attack on the internet.

    I'm just not really that way inclined, hence the rather benign nature of the insults i use online.

    i've been out of that citizen verses citizen lop a little too long to really have much in the way of personal aggreession of miffiness about this kind of thing, i'm always just a little shocked when people start calling me a wanker or whatever for writing something that i feel. But i duly understand that the nature of elections does bring that tendency out in people

    the initial post was on page 40

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    mark taslov: is this what you were trying to say?

    Thanks for the link, Stephen. I found the piece infuriating but at least it was coherent... :-)

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

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