Hard News: In the Music
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Did I give you a bad review in 1983 or something?
No, I apologise for how that came cross.
I do rate your internet and media commentary highly and I do take issue with your music commentary. I don't mean that personally or maliciously. I just don't agree with your opinion or how you see music.
That's the nature of the critic I guess, you get empathy or enrage, at least you don't get indifference.I also think its bloody brilliant you're prepared to discuss it in a public forum you host, however much we might disagree. thats one advance in media technology that impresses.
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no, the distributor sells the rental outlet a dvd/video for (say) $100 and the outlet can then make as much money as they can from renting it before the title is available for purchase thru retail.
so can a rental store go to the warehouse and buy cheap copies of the release dvd and rent them out with no recourse to the owner of the work?
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This has resulted also in my not wanting to go ahead with having my 3rd book published here in NZ
That's an interest result. apparently you do not have to supply copies if it is not produced in nz r as the overseas publisher is not governed by nzlaw, but the nat lib is required to acquire all works, by nz 'creative types' so are supposed to fork out for a copy.
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merc,
Yeah that, and I much prefer to be beside Byron than in the NZ section. When you get an ISBN number you're publisher is required to send Nat Lib one, but hey, I just write 'em, all that other stuff is a little too close to market for me...I might start sticking tui's and pohutakawa's in next...
Robbery I'm glad you comment here. -
merc,
Your, not you're...most writers get C for English...
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I do rate your internet and media commentary highly and I do take issue with your music commentary. I don't mean that personally or maliciously. I just don't agree with your opinion or how you see music.
Care to elaborate?
Russell doesn't need me fighting his battles for him but you've mentioned this point several times about not agreeing with "your opinion or how you see music". What does that mean? From my experience of RB he likes a really wide range of music and generally writes about it in a positive way. He has a good overall knowledge of music and he writes better than most. He's hugely supportive of NZ music and this makes your ongoing barbs all the more perplexing.
So I'm interested to know what's chewing you up so badly? Or did you just take exception to one comment about whinging earlier in this thread and decide to spit the dummy?
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Robbery I'm glad you comment here.
Thanks merc, but I'm not so sure I am, I don't very often and I'd have to say I'm a little surprised by russell's response, which drew out my response and so on.
I've been excessively patriotic for years but recently I've not been digging the vibe, or caring about fighting for the identity thing.
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so can a rental store go to the warehouse and buy cheap copies of the release dvd and rent them out with no recourse to the owner of the work?
I suppose they could if they wanted to, but they would probably buy them cheaper wholesale from the distributer. As I said, there is a 'window' between the time a title is available for rent, and the time you can buy-to-own. When the title becomes available for retail purchase the price for rental outlets also drops significantly. But if they can buy it cheaper at the Warehouse (and need more copies than the ones they bought initially 3 months earlier) then I guess they will.
Dairy owners do the same thing when Supermarkets sell stuff cheaper than the wholesaler (which is why you often see their Supermarket trolleys filled to the brim with Canned Drinks). Just like how you could buy a bigger argument on NZmusic.com than you can here on PA, by cutting out the middle man and going straight to the muso's. -
Care to elaborate?
I don't think Russell would care for me to elaborate, and without his approval it would be uncool, and besides auntie jackie would only give me another stern lecture on how to behave in his house.
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Just like how you could buy a bigger argument on NZmusic.com than you can here on PA, by cutting out the middle man and going straight to the muso's.
Ah but nzmusic.com wasn't voted top blog etc, who of note reads that site anymore anyway. The revamp didn't work very well either, and I don't particularly wish to discuss the favourite colour of the drummer from 48 may.
There's been some really interesting intelligent and lateral comments on some stuff here, not so much today, -
But if they can buy it cheaper at the Warehouse (and need more copies than the ones they bought initially 3 months earlier) then I guess they will.
interesting, video stores are full of back catalogue titles that you don't want to pay $34 to watch once, so you rent it for $4. And that viewing doesn't trickle back to the producer. anyone from the film industry know of concerns about that or how it works or is viewed?
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I don't think Russell would care for me to elaborate, and without his approval it would be uncool ...
Actually, it's a complete mystery to me too.
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I did not give my books to libraries, though my publisher had to give copies to some (on pain of death, I jest). I much prefer a great deal I have with Whitcoull's, the only store to buy for stock, in NZ.
Wow. It must be great. There aren't many people in the local book trade who love the Whitcoulls. We didn't have a great experience with them with Great New Zealand Argument - it got to the point where indvidual branches were placing orders because they couldn't get them from their own warehouse. Unity, on the other hand, were champs for us.
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Actually, it's a complete mystery to me too.
you have writers you like on subject who's opinion you value and you have ones you don't like. My opinion of your music writing was based on your RIU exploits originally which at the time caused much commotion and outcry. But everyones a critic eh, stop pointing the finger and get out and do better yourself would be an appropriate response, and I haven't.
I was really more impressed when you started doing your Internet column. You have a much better insight and knowledge on that topic. my personal opinion again. not meant to offend.
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I'm a bit worried about the "auntie jackie" comment, robbery. Are you meaning I'm really your auntie, or are you speaking metaphorically? I'm only asking because I have a lot of nieces and nephews, some of whom are in the music bizzo, so it wouldn't be entirely unlikely if you were. Either way, if you're related to me, what would Grandad say? And if you aren't, what would YOUR grandad say about the way you are speaking to people?
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merc,
Just lucky I guess. Whitcoull's are in state of flux at the moment though. Dymocks were good for a bit, then went cold for no reason. Border's wouldn't touch me at all, no buyer at that time though apparently. Unity sold out then same, wouldn't re-order, buyers change, time movesd on and you got to keep on coming out with new books. I paint now, and only write for myself, though I always did anyway.
It's a game that you have to play, store readings and signings and launches, phew I have stories. That Stella Artois ad, that's really funny, the book signing one. -
And if you aren't, what would YOUR grandad say about the way you are speaking to people?
He'd say, oh, that's a shock, I thought I was dead.
then probably something along the lines of good on you for speaking your mind and staying true to what you believe in, some old foggie twaddle like that.
all I did as say Russell wasn't a very good music journalist, like a music journalist has never heard that from an opinionated musician before, shesh, I didn't pour paint on his car or any such punk rock thing, anyway, he started :)
and on a punk rock side note.
you were punk once weren't you?
a serious question.
Rebelling against the establishment as you do when young, how do you balance that attitude with growing up to become part of the establishment?
do you still see yourself as the opinionated outside on the inside or does the establishment make more sense when you're in it?I was just wondering as our peer group grow to be the top rung so to speak. Interested in your opinion to Russell.
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BTW, Jackie, i'm related to you.
third cousin, i think.
definitely not my auntie.
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So I'm interested to know what's chewing you up so badly? Or did you just take exception to one comment about whinging earlier in this thread and decide to spit the dummy?
I did take exception to Russell's dismissive comments on a couple of issues I feel strongly about, and responded reasonably moderately to start with, ie, a "that's rich comment", with a smilie.
As for chewed up, I'm more sarcastic than chewed up, but auntie Jackie will remind me that that's not a polite thing to indulge in.
in 2005-2006 I released probably more local niche cds than any other label in new zealand (30 I think) and had planned to do likewise this year.
That's how the legal deposit law affects me directly, other than my personal objection to being told what to do with the results of my efforts.I work constantly with new bands as an engineer, and recordist, and older bands as a musician and log term music field specialist. ie a broad sepectrum of artists.
I know loads of musicians and I know the workings of our art, what they say and feel, I know what its like to deal with these issues on a daily basis. Russell has most likely not applied for NZ on Air funding or seem close up his peers deal with the present system.
With all due respect, Russell is a journalist and music fan. A stop your wingeing comment from him is ...rich. That's what I said. he's the one that got teste,.... first :) I just rose to the occasion, as one is prone to do on a bad tv night.
But socially I think its our duty to promote change by peaking up about issues until something positive happens.
Unless Russell was playing devils advocate in the neil finn disses Helen clark thread (http://www.publicaddress.net/default,4152.sm#post4152) his comments were the least enlightening and most off the mark in a an otherwise really eye opening and well phrased discussion. He came across as the resistant establishment.
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An idea.
An offer to Russell and anyone else who feels philanthropic.
I have 17 archival projects scheduled for this year.
Since you feel it is a small matter to fund the nations music records I ask you to personally contribute to the national libraries collection by purchasing these items for them. That way we can make this about your pocket instead of mine. Hey they're even bands you might care about, (newtones, possible androidss, and a bunch of other oldies from your youth etc) they will sell like all 'historic' discs ie in very very limited numbers, like possibly single figures, but a noble jesture from you might see them happen and the countries musical history collection intact.
Hey I'm doing the hard work in compiling them, all it takes from you is pen on paper (or electronic deposit if you like), since our country is so skint and all. How bout it? :)
$630 should cover full retail and postage for that lot. its for the good of the country russell,ps I might hit you up for some other costs since you're happy with nz on airs performances, I'll let you know bout that after we get this first thing out of the way.
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I might hit you up for some other costs since you're happy with nz on airs performances, I'll let you know bout that after we get this first thing out of the way.
You're obviously not Nigerian then. You're supposed to take the money first and then hit them up for more. Don't tell them "this is just the start of your beneficence" at the beginning ...!!
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$630 should cover full retail and postage for that lot. its for the good of the country russel . . .
Which country would that be, then?
Hustle for Russell, Nigerian style. -
HELLO I AM DR (DOCTOR) ROB R. REE OF NIGERIA ON AIR. I HAVE RECENT COME INTO POSSESSION OF 17 (SEVENTEEN) VALUABLE ARCHIVE MUSICS PROJETCS WHICH WILL BE OF GREAT INTERSTING TO THE WORLD OF MUSICAL.
FOR THE VERY SMALL SUM OF $630 (SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY DOLLARS) I CAN ARRANGE FOR COPYRITE PROTECTING FOR THESE ARCHIVES. PLEASE SEND ME YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER, CREDIT CARD NUMBER, ATM PIN AND INSIDE LEG MEASUREMENT.YOURS SINCERLY
ROB R. REE (DR)
NIGERIA ON AIR
PO BOX 43
LAOS
NIGERIA -
DOCTOR:
CANNOT RISK INSIDE LEG FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN GENUINE ANDROIDSS.I WANNA BE IN LAGOS TONIGHT IMPRESSIVE BUT UNACCEPTABLE.
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JEREMY YOU VER FUNNY MAN
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