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Hard News: Jones: The contender leaves

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  • BenWilson,

    Can't even decide if I care about this. I don't think he was much of either an asset OR a liability to Labour. He probably attracted as many people as he repelled, and his anti-Green rhetoric was always obvious posturing that could only be dropped if Labour/Greens were in a position to court Peters, after Jones had picked up the rugged douche vote. Labour might be a bit more on message after this, although I'm still fucked if I know what message that is. We don't like coke snorters, whether their spouses choke them in public or not? Color me confused.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10464 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to BenWilson,

    Can’t even decide if I care about this. I don’t think he was much of either an asset OR a liability to Labour. He probably attracted as many people as he repelled,

    Yep.I think that's a fair assessment.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to andrew r,

    thank you. it's what the Treaty offers us

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19293 posts Report Reply

  • lynne walker,

    It;s so hard to think about who to vote for and I know we need to vote. But argh. Give us some solid choice--- social justice and >>>>////??????

    Auckland • Since Jan 2011 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to lynne walker,

    The beauty of MMP, is that fringe dwellers can get represented in parliament. I would like to see something like the Mcgillycutty serios party with someone like the wizard of Christchurch stand as there only list MP, just for fun. All votes are counted.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3695 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George,

    Cunliffe said "When a totara falls in the forest another totara grows to take it's place".

    How rooted is the Labour totara?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Clayton Cosgrove said: "I am gutted he's going. He will leave a massive hole in our movement because he had such an appeal,''
    ...
    "It definitely takes away one of our big hitters. Shane was like a ballistic cannon when he fired. When you lose anybody that's a talented bloke ... it would be like losing Richie McCaw from the Crusaders. It makes your job a bit tougher.''

    The ongoing bromance - but at least Richie is a team player...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7321 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    So Morning Report continues with the Jones story via commentary from Damien O'Connor, Clayton Cosgrove, John Tamihere, Chris Trotter ... and Michael Bassett.

    I think I need a lie-down.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22029 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Pete George,

    Not as rooted as the United Future one, mate.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5494 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Pete George,

    According to McCully the job was created and then Jones was identified as the top prospect for it. Jones says it was purely his’ decision to leave Labour

    So you believe what politician say?????

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4297 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I think I need a lie-down.

    +1
    I am now over it , Jones is gone , whatever

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    ... the job was created and then Jones was
    identified as the top prospect for it..
    So you believe what politicians say?

    Why not, it seems totally credible that the National mindset might have 'Jones-shaped' receptors...
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7321 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Richard Aston,

    Jones is gone , whatever

    ..and then...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7321 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis, in reply to steven crawford,

    There was no threshold then all but one of the MMP elections would have provided us an ALCP MP, and Bill would have got in from the Bill & Ben party. McGillicuddy would be fun, Great Leap Backwards and all that. Not with the Wizard though, he's aligned with Alf's Imperial Army, the perennial enemy of the McGillicudys.

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 510 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    So you believe what politician say?????

    It's good for the public to know why he's leaving .If for no other reason than to quell nasty gossip, but I think there does come a time in life when putting your own house in order is on the cards. He mentioned his health a couple of times and although that hasn't got much attention, it may have had a bigger personal impact. When you look at the possibility that you may be dying, perspective changes and an easier job goes up the list of "things to do". He mentioned his cancer hasn't returned. Something else may have shown up. He said his family and friends are concerned. Tau Henare has cashed in also.Another polypolytician who had a scare.
    Anyway from what RB says, sounds like he's getting an eulogy on Morning report,
    ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I think I need a lie-down.

    I made sure I was lying down when I read the news in the first place, this morning.

    Jones is gone , whatever

    Yup. The only interesting bit now is whether the Nats will make good on their promises. I guess they have to, if they want to use this strategy again. But the best play of all would be to just go nah! Soz Shane. Nothing for you after all. Then the accusation of deliberate bribery can't even stick.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10464 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Not that it leaves Jones without options. A big hole opened recently in Maori talkback. Maybe he and Henare can make a winning team.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10464 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Kelvin Davis has just posted this on Facebook..

    Priority 4: Stopping sexual, physical and emotional abuse of women and children, and yes to men as well.

    I was outraged with the Roastbusters scandal and the well publicized sexual abuse/ pedophile cases in Kaitaia over the last few years.

    I sat back and waited for a male MP especially any male MAORI MP to make a stand and say something along the lines of "What the bloody hell is going on that men can treat women and children like this?" I was waiting for a male MP to take a stand and tell all of us men that this abuse is (predominantly) a male problem, and that we need to sort our shit out ourselves. We need to have serious conversations with our sons, grandsons and nephews about how a real man treats a woman. But i bet this is just too hard for most males.

    I said in my maiden speech that it's one thing to be born a male, but another thing entirely to become a man. We need to MAN up any have the balls to have those hard conversations with our boys.

    Instead the only noise coming from male MPs was the sound of crickets chirping.
    So I determined if no other male MP was prepared to stand up and start lecturing men on how we need to treat and love our women and children, and if I was ever in the position again to pick up that mantle, I will.

    Some months ago I approached some people who work in this field and told them if i ever get back into parliament, tell me what I need to do to support them. I'll give them a call soon.

    So men, I don't give a rats arse if I'm accused of not being a REAL bloke, I'll still be a sports and rugby fanatic, get on the piss, keep up my fishing, shooting and getting lost up in the bush - but i love my wife, daughters, mother, sister, nieces,cousins, friends and colleagues too much to ignore sexual, physical and emotional abuse any longer.

    All of what he has to say there is pretty impressive.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    He mentioned his health a couple of times and although that hasn’t got much attention, it may have had a bigger personal impact. When you look at the possibility that you may be dying, perspective changes and an easier job goes up the list of “things to do”.

    Well, yeah... it's easy to be cynical and assume "health reasons" is just a euphemism, but just as often a cigar is just a cigar (to coin a phrase) and honestly I don't think the intimate details of Shane Jones' medical history is anyone else's business.

    I think I need a lie-down.

    Yeah, the bromance got a little bit cloying. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12333 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Mikaere Curtis,

    McGillicuddy would be fun, Great Leap Backwards and all that. Not with the Wizard though, he’s aligned with Alf’s Imperial Army, the perennial enemy of the McGillicudys.

    That is even more fun. I would like to see the wizard party hoping around the house.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3695 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Deborah,

    All of what he has to say there is pretty impressive

    I'm convinced.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3695 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Russell Brown,

    So Morning Report continues with the Jones story via commentary from Damien O’Connor, Clayton Cosgrove, John Tamihere, Chris Trotter … and Michael Bassett.

    I think I need a lie-down.

    Those interviews sounded like a fuckfest of Fox News liberals. Especially Michael Bassett, a bitter and twisted curmudgeon who’s been with ACT for some years now. I hope Morning Report isn’t trying to ape Newstalk ZB’s territory.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5262 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Deborah,

    All of what he has to say there is pretty impressive.

    Nice to see him stepping up there. One day it will be a common view...one day ...

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I don’t think the intimate details of Shane Jones’ medical history is anyone else’s business.

    And neither do I . Just it was his words that I listened to not all the guesswork that has exploded. So it could be helpful to understand his decision should one care to take note of his words.
    Plus the timing thing. Anytime would have had the same media pack say the same things about who what where why and how. Then the panel discussions like he didn't exist anymore.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Damn it, I always thought he was Welsh.
    But…

    Mr Jones is one of New Zealand’s foremost experts in the seafood industry, given his long and controversial career at the Treaty of Waitangi Fisheries Commission,

    Hooten, Paywalled
    So we can still sing…
    Whale Kipper Whelk.. um
    In the Eel side.
    Still fishy though but we have come to expect that sort of thing from the greedhead control freaks eh?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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