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Hard News: Jones: The contender leaves

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  • steven crawford, in reply to Jean Hughes,

    Imagine if such topics as this were the election deciders instead of taxes on second homes etc. Perhaps the working class Labour (not all working class are Labour) might be encouraged and inspired to vote.

    Or they could just vote for another partly that is proposing such topics.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew C, in reply to Jean Hughes,

    it is great news for Labour and if National plotted it then their timing is very badly out and they have helped Labour immeasurably

    You cannot be serious. Even if you believe the party is better off without Jones, having him go rogue and publicly blindsiding Labour with his resignation has done nothing to enhance the status of Labour as a serious and stable party.

    Auckland • Since May 2008 • 166 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Bryce Edwards' roundup of responses.

    I'm only linking to it because he recommends my "nuanced and thoughtful analysis" of the issues ;-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22182 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I don’t think some sort of “roving ambassador” post counts. The only way they could elevate that role would be to create a special government office on some Pacific island, and even then one could argue that a “post” is the sole NZG diplomatic presence in a state, so could not be in a place where we already have one.

    They could appoint him as Ambassador/HoM for New Zealand to the Pacific Islands Forum, which is a treaty-established international organisation. We do not appear to have representation there at present, and it would work perfectly in terms of the focal area of the Forum (of which NZ is a member).

    Do not underestimate McCully's cunning.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4090 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I’m inclined to go with Paddy Gower’s assessment: it has McCully’s pawprints all over it. I would not be surprised if the timing was McCully’s.

    Yeah, Russell, I really get McCully is Satan Incarnate to you and Gower but it's equally plausible to me that Jones cashed the reality check that he was going nowhere fast a long time ago, was quietly fishing around for a soft landing spot and this came up. And Gower's still pushing the delusional theory that Colin Craig is just going to walk into East Coast Bays -- how about he stop interviewing the Press Gallery liquor cabinet and do some actual reporting?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12352 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I don't think some sort of "roving ambassador" post counts. The only way they could elevate that role would be to create a special government office on some Pacific island, and even then one could argue that a "post" is the sole NZG diplomatic presence in a state, so could not be in a place where we already have one.

    Or if the appointment is really to an international fisheries organisation.

    But even then: while heads of misison/post are appointed by the G-G (which means on Ministerial Advice), that doesn't mean that the decision is entirely in the discretion of the Minister. To point out the obvious: these people are employees of MFAT. And that means that the decision on who to employ and on what terms is rightly one for the Chief Executive, on which they are statutorily independent. McCully can say "we need a new ambassador to X", but he can't say "and I have just the man for the job".

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1704 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Murray McCully has appointed many High Commissioners and John, Carter was appointed by him to the Cook Islands. He's back as Mayor to the Far north now. They might need a new High Commissioner to the Cook Islands.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Here's a serious question, is the lead from John Armstrong's usual curate's egg of a column actually true?

    Shane Jones' shock decision to quit as a Labour MP will lead voters to draw one conclusion and one conclusion only: that he thinks Labour cannot win the September general election.

    Orly? Voters could draw the equally plausible conclusion that Jones long since cashed the reality check that even if Labour wins the next election, his rise up the greasy pole is severely curtailed by a good proportion of his own caucus and party who think (fairly or not) he's a unacceptably high friendly fire risk who doesn't play well with others unless he's getting his own way in all things.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12352 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    these people are employees of MFAT

    Are you sure? The legislation says they are appointed and dismissed by the G-G. Aren't they like ministers - semi-political appointments at the whim of the government of the day?

    (Ministers are"employed" in that they get paid a salary, but there's no accountability as to who gets chosen and no employment protections).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5523 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I’m inclined to go with Paddy Gower’s assessment: it has McCully’s pawprints all over it. I would not be surprised if the timing was McCully’s.

    If correct, it is a spectacular misuse of taxpayers money for National Party political gain.

    A salary in the order of half a million plus expenses and a staff of how many?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4335 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    You cannot be serious. Even if you believe the party is better off without Jones, having him go rogue and publicly blindsiding Labour with his resignation has done nothing to enhance the status of Labour as a serious and stable party.

    How did he "go rouge"? I feel kind of sick defending Jones, but he's a list MP who (unless I'm seriously mistaken) has announced he's leaving Parliament. The way some people are carrying on, you'd think he'd flounced out of the room and accepted a winnable position on the National list in the middle of the campaign. I know the usual suspects are trying to turn a transitory headache for Labour into a terminal brain tumor, but the only weird thing here is that Jones didn't go the usual route and line up a set of cushy board appointments to walk into in after the election.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12352 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to TracyMac,

    He’s saying the right things, even if they’re not all the things

    Exactly.

    Not being able to fix all the problems is no reason to stop trying to fix some of the problems. And who knows maybe if you fix the problems one at a time you might find someday there isn't a next problem.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4335 posts Report Reply

  • Allan Moyle, in reply to Robyn Gallagher,

    Shane Jones always felt like he was operating from an arrogant, detached stance.

    Exactly how I've always seen him.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 102 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George,

    According to McCully the job was created and then Jones was identified as the top prospect for it. Jones says it was purely his' decision to leave Labour, that he didn't want to be an MP any more.

    The Pacific ambassador role is still open and Jones is not confirmed or signed up yet.

    Is he a suitable candidate, and should he be offered the role?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Allan Moyle,

    Shane Jones always felt like he was operating from an arrogant, detached stance

    .

    Exactly how I’ve always seen him.

    I don't think he said that though and, maybe it was more Robyn meant she always felt like, Shane was operating from an arrogant...etc . I don't think he thought that about himself .

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Pete George,

    The Pacific ambassador role is still open

    And I see the high Commissioner to the Cooks is gone

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • insider, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    Winston Peters created the position of Climate Change Ambassador in 2006 without too much problem. Position still exists. No big dramas.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2011 • 31 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    what I would like to know why did the Labour grandees put him so far down the list

    Most likely because of 'dead wood' that's passed their use-by date. To do a Michelle Boag on them would risk much greater instability than what we have now. I suspect the last time it happened (1993-96), the guilty parties, well, switched parties.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5283 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    The Pacific ambassador role is still open and Jones is not confirmed or signed up yet.

    There is a lot of denque fever going around.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to steven crawford,

    I might be be blinded be cynicism

    Davis seems genuine about this and he has been a good person in the past.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19382 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    was quietly fishing around for a soft landing spot

    Jones said something to that effect, and he has options. The guy was always better at business than politics, so no surprise he matched McCully's wishlist either.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19382 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    has announced he's leaving Parliament.

    it's not the announcing, it's the way we are announcing :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19382 posts Report Reply

  • andrew r, in reply to Sacha,

    'Think in a collective mindset and the problem disappears'

    Brilliant. Comment of 2014.

    auckland • Since May 2007 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    so Key said ," I like Shane..lot of respect....he's a welcome addition to the National Party"

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Japan's in the Pacific isn't it?
    Shane has such a jones for big fish maybe he could get an important position as an observer on Japanese whale research vessels - when they come back...

    ...I know they are mammals, but he could count the bycatch in their stomaches...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7426 posts Report Reply

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