Hard News: Jonesing
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Sacha, in reply to
why you’re insisting on difference being a negative
Sigh. All I've "insisted" from my first comment above is that it's not the only thing there is - if you want to select a candidate who can help win the next election. And not addressing basic competence for the task creates a vacuum to be filled by clowns like Shame Jones.
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Sacha, in reply to
Agree - personalising it is ridiculous. Not sure where Maryan Street and others fit into that picture.
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OK, I'll back down and accept "They didn't have anyone good enough and they were too scared of the misogynist vote" as an alternative to "they lacked courage", although it really does seem to be hair splitting to me.
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Sacha, in reply to
Not *ready* enough is not the same as not good enough.
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As far as I can tell a major enabler of clowns like Jones is Cunliffe backers (like the RMTU & DWU) giving him second preferences. Really, what the fuck. Not super impressed at that.
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Henry Barnard, in reply to
As far as I can tell a major enabler of clowns like Jones is Cunliffe backers (like the RMTU & DWU) giving him second preferences. Really, what the fuck. Not super impressed at that.
+1
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
One mans trash will always be somebody else's treasure. This is a competition to win. It's not at all costs but personalities will play their part and enablers/supporters will all have personalities too surely?
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Sacha, in reply to
giving him second preferences
Affiliates sending caucus a message? Did strike me as unexpected.
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Sacha, in reply to
will all have personalities too surely?
Not sure what you're trying to say here.
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The Young Labour Twitter account has been publishing the candidates’ answers to questions on universal student allowances, female representation, and decriminalising abortion. Note Robertson’s “conservative” answer there…
And note Shane Jones' complete bullshit answer. He should be the joke candidate that Keir described him as, but somehow he's been taken seriously.
Sophie,
The enablers Keir was referring to are the Rail & Maritime Transport Union and the Dairy Workers Union. Not sure if they can be said to have personalities, but if so they seem to be ones that exhibit poor judgment. -
Sacha, in reply to
somehow he's been taken seriously
Quite. What and who are driving newsrooms to push a line - which Jones' candidature most closely matches - that somehow Labour are not being sexist and racist and homophobic enough for mythical toilers to support? That certain beliefs are the natural way of things rather than up for grabs and constantly evolving.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
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Sacha, in reply to
Interesting article, thanks. Still don't see it explaining your argument - eg:
In a “presidential” style race such as the current contest – where personalities matter more than policy – such matters tend to be waved aside, as something the new team can handle sometime in future. Yet who gets chosen now will dictate how such matters get handled. For that reason, this is not simply a personality contest, or a matter of who can do the best anti-Key one liners.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Don’t mean that it’s only personalities.But Jones is now more recognisable than Robertson because he chose to go on the telly, primetime, show his warts. I noticed too before that he showed up to a Union meeting and got to put his face out there. It then got primetime news coverage before any of them, and now ,look at the polls. Also the stronger influences amongst the Unions may be swaying others. Plus the Cunliffe camp enablers might need Robertson at the back because he could get through the race via 2nd preference. Less support now for Robertson can only help Cunliffe. I may be the only one but I think Tim Watkin at Pundit got it right when he said that primetime tv should have been good for all 3 candidates but only one accepted. That one personality now goes up in the polls.
Or maybe I'm stupid and don't know what I'm talking about. :)
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Q and A poll results: David Cunliffe favourite to be new Labour leader
David Cunliffe was the clear favourite in a poll asking which of the Labour leadership candidates was most likely to win next year's election over John Key.
Mr Cunliffe came out ahead of his running mates, with 39% of the vote. Acting party leader Grant Robertson received just 15% of the vote and Shane Jones found favour with 18% of those surveyed.
There was only one question on which Shane Jones came out ahead - which candidate identifies best with the average NZ voter. Jones got 31%, and Cunliffe 29%. But there's a huge gender split in the responses: 39% of men think Jones identifies with the average NZ voter, but only 23% of women.
Lots of other interesting detail there, but amongst it all, it's very obvious that David Cunliffe is rated highest, and for the most part, Grant Roberson is coming third (with some variation according to the particular question being answered).
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Sacha, in reply to
because he chose to go on the telly, primetime, show his warts
Not really his choice when he got rather splashed across our screens for misusing public funds. :)
The recent 3Degrees hagiography is drawing most criticism for how un-wartsy and fawning it was.
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Sacha, in reply to
Tim Watkin at Pundit
Think he's right in this:
Surely what anyone auditioning to be Prime Minister needs to do is to introduce themselves to the public and show a glimpse of their character, as well as their policies. Like it or not, politics works on narrative and people vote on likeability as much as plans for the current account deficit.
Perhaps not in assuming a candidate's home was an inevitable setting, or that their individual campaign strategy might not validly rule out taking part. Or that some viewers might see no hard questions as 'endorsement'. But then it's no surprise a TV producer thinks people should always say yes to appearing. :)
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Sacha, in reply to
Q and A poll results
of the general public, we should note, not Labour members who get to vote.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
They left in his marriage split that got immediate disapproval because the ex wife wasn't included (from commenters here and elsewhere). Shit, marriages split up often. It was immediately assumed it was Shanes fault. We don't know but it was one wart for all to see.Also we need to see him now for the point of the piece. I don't think he was shown in a saintly manner, but I do think it showed he wasn't that polished. Yes, 3rd degree it wasn't. I just wish both Cunliffe and Robertson would have been proud to show their differences .
Sacha, I think this is all good for our democracy, which has been trampled on lately by our current mob. Diversity in candidates and diversity in New Zealanders. I'm glad it's being discussed but I don't know of anyone who is perfect. Shane Jones certainly isn't in my book but I don't hate him.He is a person from Kaitaia no matter where he has ended up and from my experiences lately with people from Kaitaia, I am starting to understand his manners. People in isolated areas can be pretty conservative (say 1950's). Hopefully our interwebs can change all that. Hopefully Labour can help. The discussions all help. -
Labour have some other pesky problems to sort out.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Why do people dislike him so much?
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I generally like Trevor (we were in the same year at school but he was sporty not political then and our paths didn't cross much). He is very upfront about things, although sometimes blunt. Was good on environmental stuff in the 80s when it wasn't that fashionable. As minister he always had an open door and fronted on his decisions (unlike the situation now when you need to pay a PR person to get an appointment with a minister, and ministers are often unavailable for comment in the media). I think he will be an excellent and fair Speaker.
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Henry Barnard, in reply to
Why do people dislike him so much?
I presume you mean Shane Jones? I think Brian Edwards gives a partial, but good, explanation for it here.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
No ,I mean Trevor.
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