Hard News: Let's be hearing it
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How much more is there to really say about this issue? Until we get to read the book, everything is speculation. And we will get to read the book. I may even break my rule of never purchasing another printed word, Brash has piqued my curiousity that much.
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tom, whalerider? i didn't allude to anything of the sort!
however, a forbidden love like 'jungle fever' can lead a man to do strange, strange, things. wouldn't you agree?
a woman crushed beneath the weight of that great mass of fever could, conceivably, seek a weigh out.
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Er... come on guys, private conversation there - who is the Whalerider? (I have my suspicions).
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(Clatter of dice; Idiot fails SAN check)
H P Lovecraft said that that "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents". Reading the innuendo above, I think he was right.
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Andrew:
Er... come on guys, private conversation there - who is the Whalerider? (I have my suspicions).
Please Cthulhu no. I don't know, and I don't want to know. That's Wishart territory.
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The 'Whalerider' is a creepy Labour party rumour/fantasy about a political journalist and a National politician. It's not true.
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The blatantly biased way media handled the Labour Party election spending (how many people on the street know that every Party with the exception of Progressives, was guilty of what Labour was accused of?), especially commentators like Paul Henry, Mathew Hooton and Lisa Owen amongst others (Guyon Espiner did try to at least appear objective in his comments), had made me lose faith in media being the fourth estate. Nicky Hager saga will hopefully make an honest journalist out of these personages who didn't think it amiss to obfuscate issues because they "dislike Helen Clark" (or "a woman in power" as Paul Henry put it in yesterday's Breakfast show, with finding it difficult to hold back his derisive laughter at Helen Clark wearing the Vietnamese dress). It was fun watching Mathew Hooton on today's Breakfast being given the chance to discredit Hager. But it would have been more fun if Paul Henry had been asked to interview both Hager and Hooton (and together!).
Russell Brown & David Slack, why are we seeing less of you on Breakfast these days ? -
"Why would Bill English receive 50,000 private emails between Don Brash and others?"
Where'd you get that number from? Did obtaining it . . . hurt?
It may be a frequently used conduit, so probably not.
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damn, thought i'd started a rumour that might accidentally have had substance...
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"The 'Whalerider' is a creepy Labour party rumour/fantasy about a political journalist and a National politician"
Ewwwww!
"It may be a frequently used conduit"
and ewwwwww! (I'm prepared (hoping) to believe I misunderstood that one.)
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One thing about this affair does my head in.
Last night on Campbell live Barry Gustafson gave examples of meetings that Labour and National had had with different groups that they wouldn't want people to know about. Some of these e-mails apparently fall into this category, stuff politicians don't want us to know.
But we all do "know" or suspect that what we see is the 1/8th of the mass that is above the water.
It's as though we are meant to have the knowlege but not act on it, to have a separate part of the brain that turns off at decision time. "I think that they are a bunch of liars, but I'll trust them again".
So that we can then watch the baby kissing and listen to speeches about family values and one law for all while knowing that it is a sham.
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Russell Brown & David Slack, why are we seeing less of you on Breakfast these days ?
Don't know what Russell's current schedule is, but on the Friday week in review, we're now a three-week roster instead of fortnightly: Joe Bennett and Caroline Daley, Wallace Chapman and Penny Ashton, and Michele A'Court and me. But just to confuse things, I'll be on this Friday and the following one as well.
I'd wave, but that's probably not the way the cool people do it.
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Don't know what Russell's current schedule is, but on the Friday week in review, we're now a three-week roster instead of fortnightly:
I always forget to tell my Mum ...
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Hamish: we all know that politicians are liars. Very few of them however pretend that it is a virtue - at least, not where we can see.
It is really a question of how much dishonesty we are willing to stomach. And unfortunately we won't know how dishonest "honest Don" has been with us until we get to read the book and see those emails.
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"I'd wave, but that's probably not the way the cool people do it."
make it look involuntary & everyone will forgive you. :)
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It is really a question of how much dishonesty we are willing to stomach
Yeah, I guess that's it, the Matrix school of politics.
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NZ politics may soon rival Australian, or at least NSW, politics for its tawdry little secrets. NSW has had two high profile politicians exit amid scandalous allegations, and I suspect Brash will go soon enough.
His legacy will not be the job he did restoring the National Party to a credible presence in parliament, it will be suggestions that he lied about ANZUS, lied about the Exclusive Brethern and philandered his way through the lobbies meanwhile chiding Helen for not embracing some Elizabethan notion of marriage.
I'll not miss him.
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Latest:
Author Nicky Hager says the lawyer for National leader Don Brash has told him that he will not be required to hand over the 3000 copies of his book about the Brash-led National Party to the High Court ... "Because things are moving quickly they have decided that they are not going to serve an injunction on me, which means that we won’t have to hand across all the books to the High Court today,” Mr Hager said. “And it feels to me that they are on the way to lifting the injunction, but obviously they haven’t done that yet.”
Dr Brash says he has nothing to fear from the book and would like to see it published, though he says the privacy of people who sent him e-mails must be protected. Radio New Zealand's political staff say the discussion centres on maintaining a legal ban on the release of any of Dr Brash's personal e-mails from other sources.
Political commentator Richard Griffin says he cannot see Don Brash surviving as leader of the National Party, once Nicky Hager's book is published ... Mr Griffin says when the book comes out, Dr Brash is unlikely to be able to continue as leader, mostly because National Party people themselves will seek their vengeance for the way he has handled the matter.
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"I'd wave, but that's probably not the way the cool people do it."
make it look involuntary & everyone will forgive you. :)
The only way I can see that turning out is everyone thinking he's having a fit on national TV.
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The only way I can see that turning out is everyone thinking he's having a fit on national TV.
Would I suggest a thing like that to David? :)
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The only way I can see that turning out is everyone thinking he's having a fit on national TV.
Thanks. You've saved me the trouble of making a joke about stem cell research that I would probably have regretted ...
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So people really do watch Breakfast TV Wow!
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Verpal Singh wrote:
The blatantly biased way media handled the Labour Party election spending (how many people on the street know that every Party with the exception of Progressives, was guilty of what Labour was accused of?)Anyone who could read? Sorry for the snark, but most people I know of all political persuasions hit the point of information (and spin) overload a while back.
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And with all due respect, Russell, Richard Griffin is such an expert on "National Party people" because... he was Jim Bolger's chief press secretary ten years ago? Richard gives excellent sound bite, and has some insight into politcs, but perhaps he should focus on his day job as TVNZ's 'government relations manager' - and given the dog's breakfast that's been on his watch, how the hell has he kept off the dole line?
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