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Hard News: Narcissists and bullies

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  • Kirk Alexander, in reply to Martin Brown,

    Here is a link Martin, Roast Busters. I reported it this afternoon but still up so far.

    Chch • Since May 2013 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • Morgan Nichol, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    You know what, I really don't want to get a phone call from Marshall if he's just going to repeat the cringe-inducing display of deep denial on Q&A this morning. It would almost be funny [...] if it wasn't so damn serious.

    If it was anything like his performance with Campbell, then I don't blame you. Unconvincing at best.

    Having him talk to people who can elucidate the problem we see with the police seems far preferably to not having him talk to those people, and instead just hoping it filters up from some junior in a weekly report.

    I'm not confident he would listen, but the opportunity going wasted seems a shame.

    Auckland CBD • Since Nov 2006 • 312 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    I'll credit Marshall with good, albeit late intentions. I was too freaked out to engage with him at the time, but I appreciate that he is struggling to find out what is right and proper.

    I called for his resignation earlier, but I now think that he wants to do well. Still, he advanced through the ranks knowing about the attitudes that existed and didn't challenge them.

    I remain very fearful of the police's ability to track down and intimidate their critics.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to matthew,

    I see a 77 year old was sexually assaulted in Auckland last night. I can’t help wondering if Peter Marshall thinks its vitally important that investigators ask that victim what she was wearing and whether she had had any alcohol that night.

    Goes to show that rape has little to do with sexual perversion, and much to do with power abuse and an obsession with dominance. Technically rape is GBH with a sex organ, instead of a knife or crowbar or knuckledusters, but the trauma is no less horrid.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5261 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Update: Police comms say that Marshall has been responding personally to complaints made via the police website (which I’m told requires contact details).

    Seriously, is Commissioner Marshall trying to channel the late Gideon Tait? (scroll down to page 6)

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5261 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    I'll credit Marshall with answering critics directly and this is a crisis of confidence in the force as a whole where it should be done, but that's it. The content is still lacking in his message and calling Kracklite at home is a step too far me thinks.

    DeepRed - I know one of the Army Officers who took part in that Police/Military action on the Bikers in Cathedral Square. He is very proud of that day. :/

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    LATEST: Three close friends of the Roast Busters sex gang say the group's ringleaders exaggerated many of their sexual exploits to impress their classmates and were now living in fear of their lives due to the public's reaction to the scandal.

    If the whole Roast Busters thing really was meant to be in jest, I can't help but think that it's right down there with joking about explosives in airport luggage.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5261 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Morgan Nichol,

    Having him talk to people who can elucidate the problem we see with the police seems far preferably to not having him talk to those people, and instead just hoping it filters up from some junior in a weekly report.

    Sure – but here’s something I learned the hard way when I was getting sober. “Making amends to those you’ve harmed” is important but – and it’s a damn big caveat – you must never do so in a way that just doubles down on the damage you’ve caused.

    And, yes, I think effectively cold calling people who have deep-set trust issues with the organization you’re the public face of, shows a lack of judgement and sensitivity however well-intentioned. He may also wish to keep in a mind a lot of critics of the Police's handling of this are themselves survivors of sexual assault/abuse, and guess what? It's not exactly rocket science why they might not exactly welcome unsolicited phone calls from strangers.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12332 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to DeepRed,

    So I suppose those four girls were just lying to the police for shits and giggles? Because laying a sexual assault complaint sounds like a barrel of laughs. Honestly, what a lot of crap that article is.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Kracklite,

    Can I just check: you weren't required to leave contact information when you lodged the complaint on their website?

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Kirk Alexander,

    ARGH!

    Roast Busters, 15 hours ago
    Fuck the haters we haven't done anything wrong those girls wanted to have sex with US!

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Kirk Alexander,

    Here is a link Martin, Roast Busters. I reported it this afternoon but still up so far.

    My hunch is that it's an attention-seeking fake.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22007 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    The Police need to acknowledge the omission to treat the complaints seriously is unacceptable whilst also progressing the inquiry.

    If the Police seriously want people’s opinions of them to change they need to demonstrate that they have changed their behavior and culture. The emphasis on counter PR measures and damage control is a wasted.

    Marshall instead of taking things personally and phoning people should be more concerned with setting things right in the Police force and in particular in dealing with an investigation into the gang rape allegations made by the four victims, that is after all the job of the Police.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1223 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I called for his resignation earlier, but I now think that he wants to do well. Still, he advanced through the ranks knowing about the attitudes that existed and didn’t challenge them.

    That's a complicated problem. If you're trying to bring about change to a heirarchical organisation, you largely need to do it from the top. Getting to the top while being uppity about all the people above you not doing a good job is difficult? Leaving those principles at the door and trying to compromise?

    Often these organisations need help from outside to turn the ship - commissions of inquiry, independent corruption boards etc.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6241 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    Often these organisations need help from outside to turn the ship...

    ..and sometimes they just hit the iceberg, full speed ahead!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7300 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    ..and sometimes they just hit the iceberg, full speed ahead!

    Or the reef, clearly marked on the charts they didn't bother to check, breaking the ship in half, scattering its cargo, and leaking large amounts of oil and who knows what toxins into the sea.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2368 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Danielle,

    So I suppose those four girls were just lying to the police for shits and giggles? Because laying a sexual assault complaint sounds like a barrel of laughs. Honestly, what a lot of crap that article is.

    I was referring to the Roast Busters, not the girls who went to the police.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5261 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Willie and JT are gone, for at least the rest of the year:

    MEDIA RELEASE
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


    Monday, 11 November, 2013


    WILLIE JACKSON, JOHN TAMIHERE OFF AIR FOR REMAINDER OF 2013


    Willie Jackson and John Tamihere will not return to RadioLIVE for the rest of 2013. The announcement was made on RadioLIVE just after 12noon today by the two broadcasters.

    Announcement from Willie Jackson and John Tamihere:

    This will be our last show on RadioLIVE for this year.

    We will be taking the next few weeks to review what happened last week with the management here, and agree what action needs to be taken.

    We do not condone rape in any way and did not intend to blame the victims. Rape is a terrible crime and the victims who come forward deserve support and respect.

    We deeply regret the comments we made last week and the upset they caused so many people.

    We also want to apologise to the clients of RadioLIVE who've had to deal with negative feedback to their businesses because they advertise in our show.

    Closer to home, we regret the impact this has had on our wives, children, grandchildren and communities. We also apologise to the staff at RadioLIVE and throughout the MediaWorks whanau who have had to deal with the fallout.

    RadioLIVE will update you on our discussions and plans as is appropriate.

    As this will be our last time on the radio this year, we wish you and your families a safe and happy Christmas and send our aroha to you all.

    JT & Willie
    - -

    MediaWorks Radio Chief Executive Belinda Mulgrew says: "After discussions with Willie Jackson and John Tamihere it has been agreed that Willie and John will be off air for the rest of 2013.

    "We continue to review the situation, and I would like to reiterate that MediaWorks in no way condones the actions of the 'Roast Busters' or any violence against women.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22007 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    The right message.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1223 posts Report Reply

  • Scott A,

    ...It is so refreshing to see a public apology that is actually, you know, apologetic. That acknowledges the reasons that apologies were needed. With no "we apologise for any offence caused"...

    The wilds of Kingston, We… • Since May 2009 • 130 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to DeepRed,

    I was referring to the Roast Busters, not the girls who went to the police.

    I think Danielle's point was that the claim that those guys had posted exaggerated accounts of their behaviour (and/or were joking) does not jibe with the fact that four of the girls complaining to the police. The girls didn't complain about lies being posted online, they complained about being raped.

    Edited to clarify further: If those guys were exaggerating/joking then that would mean that those four girls were lying to the police and that is not credible.

    Since Sep 2009 • 442 posts Report Reply

  • Greg111, in reply to Kracklite,

    From many of your comments, this reply is to the one where you are the most disingenuous. I am sure it was a shock to get a call from a person claiming to be the police commissioner and feeling intimidated as a result.
    Nevertheless, you claim "I have no idea how this person found out my phone number and address and was able to identify me". It appears you told them who you were and provided a phone number and probably more. This point is not related to whether it was proper for police to telephone you after you gave them information. Rather, just like the police, you have been found out for not providing pertinent information in a timely manner. You clearly chose to cast aspersions and allude sinisterly to them knowing how to find you, without mentioning that you told them how to find you.
    The debate would better be served by examining whether it was proper to contact you following whatever information you gave to police, but you chose to suppress this and now readers of this blog have only a biased side of the story.
    I am yet to see any of your comments acknowledging your submission of your personal information to the police prior to them contacting you. If this is true, then you have compromised your integrity.

    New Zealand • Since Oct 2013 • 7 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Greg111,

    The debate would better be served by examining whether it was proper to contact you following whatever information you gave to police, but you chose to suppress this and now readers of this blog have only a biased side of the story.
    I am yet to see any of your comments acknowledging your submission of your personal information to the police prior to them contacting you. If this is true, then you have compromised your integrity.

    For regular readers of this blog, Kracklite’s integrity is not at issue, as you claim. Yours, on the other hand…

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2749 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    Yeah, that story was apiece with this one in trying to turn the perpetrators into the victims. I viewed with derision the section "On Parker's return home, a family friend [who the story later says is providing the Parker family with media advice] says, Parker's stepfather had taken Parker to Henderson Police Station to make a formal statement about the encounter with the girl."

    So... they just decided they'd take Parker down to the station and make a formal statement? Without any prompting? Just in case? I think it's far more likely that they left out the bit where the police contacted the Parker family and said they'd like to speak to their son as soon as possible, thanks.

    Their suggestion that the rape of the 13-year old was the "turning point" also doesn't tally with the reports there were another three complaints to police after that incident, and that the Facebook page continued to run.

    Don't you love media advisors?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 578 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Brown, in reply to Russell Brown,

    My take of that is they won't be coming back. That was corporate speak for terminated.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2013 • 129 posts Report Reply

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