Hard News: Not yet standing upright
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Ryan Postlethwaite, in reply to
We have covered alot of information surrounding agenda setting, but not so much news framing. Despite this, what I have learned throughout my classes, i believe has at least given me a basic understanding as to whats really going on in the clouded "real world".
I think of John Campbell, and wonder what would have been the way he framed this referendum if he was still on air.
To me it all just seemed a little to good for Key, Mark Weldon having his leash on TV 3, Oaketree Capital having majority stake in the company, the commercialism disease spreading right into the last corners of our media sector.
So again form Katharine's comments i do believe now this was not intended to cover up the TPPA, but i do find the sequence of events strung throughout this years media sector quite well timed.
I don't know the real reasons behind the flag referendum, nor do i claim to know, i just think its all just a bit stitched up if you ask me.
:)
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
money for old trope…
i just think its all just a bit stitched up if you ask me.
..those Imperialists, so vexed about National Standards are they, that if ya give ’em a halyard, they’ll take a mile!
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
all just a bit stitched up
Says it all. Love the simplicity.
Speaking of simplicity - check out redpeakof.nz .. here's my favourite creation so far.
I want a pair!
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One comment in Grant Mclachlan's piece said that voting will be kept secret and we will only be told of the winner. So the fix is in?
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Rob Stowell, in reply to
i do find the sequence of events strung throughout this years media sector quite well timed.
I'd be surprised if it was a complete coincidence the flag selection/change process is ramping up as we go into a RWC.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
No.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2015/0066/latest/DLM6405391.html
The actual counting is done in secret, presumably so that how individuals vote remains secret (although as always, a postal ballot can never be properly secret as you can’t tell if anyone has seen, or even filled out on behalf, a voter’s ballot paper).
The results aren’t disclosed before the end of voting, which is the usual case with extended voting periods, to avoid a bandwagon effect.
The actual result totals for each choice will be published after the count is complete.
The process will be supervised by JPs and District Court judges* (but with no partisan observers, unlike a general election). Apart from that, it all seems reasonable. Would the government really try and rig the vote, with all the chances of being caught, over something as trivial?
* probably all reptilians. I’m sure there are enough reptilian illuminati JPs they can call on.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
So should we lose (which is possible, given that we have a soft group, NZ haven't played any northern hemisphere teams all year and they'll be straight in against France or Ireland in the quarter finals) will that mean that we'll be spun the story that they'd have won under a better flag?
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Ryan Postlethwaite, in reply to
Great point, just another tool (a very persuasive one) in the governments bag of tricks in order to avert our eyes elsewhere.
The hyping of the superstar sevens team heading to Rio de Janeiro for the Olympics, is what i feel could be the next distraction we face as the world cup drama fades away.
My point is their will always be something for us to get involved in, regardless of if its the flag debate, the RWC, or the Olympic sevens.
Our government has an endless supply of commercialized items they can turn to at any time to take our attention away.
I really don't think we will ever escape this trap, our devotion to the so called national sport of rugby can be seen as the biggest blind spot we as a nation have, they put it on our televisions and days later were pacified.
Yet we all still complain hahah.
But im just as bad because i do support the All Blacks all the way despite my view on all of this !!
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Yeah, but the Brits are as bad with soccer.
It must be a source of disappointment to Crosby Textor that Aussie hasn't got a consensus code of football to get behind.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
It must be a source of disappointment to Crosby Textor that Aussie hasn't got a consensus code of football to get behind.
Hey ,what's wrong with Aerial pingpong ? With a name such as Aussie Rules, I can even hazard a guess as to which Country would win a Championship.
Although credit where it's due, their League teams are pretty good and I don't even like any (R)ugby , Union or otherwise ;) -
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
But it's only really big in Victoria. NSfW and Queensland, it's all about the league (and the cane toad racing).
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
But it's only really big in Victoria. NSfW and Queensland,
Yeah, and... that's mostly the ok part of Stralia. The other side, another planet.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
..those Imperialists, so vexed about National Standards are they, that if ya give ’em a halyard, they’ll take a mile!
Perhaps a flag to reflect our image...
if ya give ’em a halyard, they’ll take a mylar...
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
they’ll take a mylar…
a specular success to reflect upon.
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Although I respect your first point stating your dislike for our current flag. I have to disagree on the grounds of changing the flag will be a direct insult to the New Zealand for 3 main points. It is an insult to the soldiers that fought for the flag in both of the world wars. It is an insult to the New Zealanders who identify themselves with the current image of New Zealand. It is a direct insult to New Zealand as a country as to re image is to re brand which is done primarily for two reason, 1. To repair or fix a reputation e.g. Telecom to Spark regarding their bad reputation or 2. To divert attention from an issue. Therefore the only logical reason is to divert attention from an issue which should potentially have more media coverage than simply which flag do you like? As there is no overwhelming bad reputation to repair. Therefore the idea itself of changing the flag is insulting on many different levels but the actual act of holding a debate or a new flag is beyond insulting. We have had the flag as our national flag since 1902, and I personally see no reason as to change the current flag. I also believe that it is an especially negative idea considering the new flags for New Zealand, were chosen from a submitted 10,000 flags in a mere 4 months, and will now be challenging a flag that has stood for 113 years.
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It seems Labour have been quite prescient about this whole changing the National Standard thang – they ditched the NZ flag from their old logo and introduced a Red Fern back in 2011 – Nice of Key to keep pushing the fern recognition factor, while his own party has gone with the four stars* – we all have our crosses to bear.
Heck, the Young Labour logo even incorporates a koru and a fern!!
(and it also – if you’ll excuse the pun – belabours the ‘ab’ connection! -
Key's latest tactic - it ackshully wasn't a flip flop by me, rather I forced Labour to change their mind.
He really is the most ridiculous excuse for a head of state.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/72047016/red-peak-given-a-sniff-by-pm-john-key
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A pedant writes: head of government, not state (We should have a referendum on that ...).
Anyway, it's all very childish, but I hope Labour don't play silly buggers too. If there's a chance to include Red Peak, then take it.
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Deborah, in reply to
He's said that Labour has to endorse the entire process. So he's not really listening to what people have to say at all: he's just using it as a stick to beat Labour over the head.
The person playing silly buggers here is the PM. Perhaps we could hold him responsible?
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simon g, in reply to
In a fair world, yes. In media world, the only rule is "win".
It's just more of the same: see Questions in Parliament, the past 7 years, on eternal repeat. Labour can't think on their feet and miss their chances, time after time.
(But there will later be an unread press release explaining their sensible position, and somebody on the staff will say "Job done". It really, really isn't).
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If Labour need help, here it is, for free:
Media release, timed 2 hours ago:
"Andrew Little welcomes the Prime Minister's belated backdown on the flag, and fully supports the inclusion of Red peak. Perhaps the Prime Minister will now support Labour's proposal to pay one quarter of the flag panel's fees to the designers and campaigners who came up with an option people may actually like".
Etc, etc. Politics 101 - return serve, with interest. Not taking racket home.
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Snowy Peek?
</adding Milou to the milieu>
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
"Andrew Little welcomes the Prime Minister's belated backdown on the flag, and fully supports the inclusion of Red peak.....
Bollocks. Just because John Key and his lackeys sees fit to blame Labour for everything, and now he's priming the Media to blame Labour if this Flag bullshit bombs, there is no need for Labour to stoop to his level. I watch Question time and what I see is a Government who will obfuscate instead of answering questions. National have the backing of the Speaker and there is nothing but reprimand from him for the Opposition. They cant even seek leave to table documents without the Speaker cutting them off. They cant have a point of order without the Speaker prewarning them that he's going to kick them out.Whatever they do the Speaker is pro the Government and anti the opposition, and you suggest they should all stoop to this Government's level to 'win"? If you think that will have them on the way to "winning" the next Election, being just like John Key, then why would any voter change what is already there? It is us ,the public who need to be strategic to change this Government. More of the same is killing our Country.
With polling suggesting around 70% of New Zealanders do not want the NZ Flag changed and that has not altered as polls suggest, Labour does not need to support the addition of any flag design ,when the entire process has been a shambles from the start. A flag referendum should start with " Do we want to change the NZ Flag, not does John Key want to change the NZ flag? Labour should not ignore the people of NZ and all polls suggest they don't want change. -
simon g, in reply to
Labour should not ignore the people of NZ and all polls suggest they don’t want change.
Er, yes. That is indeed the problem. So, doing the same is probably not the best way to change things.
But back on flags ... it's good to see that Labour have taken the initiative this morning. Very good mock-up ballot paper, and now there are headlines across a range of media saying Little calls Key's bluff.
That's smarter politics from the opposition. The time-lag in getting there is still an issue, but at least they are getting there.
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