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Hard News: Playing Nice?

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  • Jan Farr,

    Refute: The Encarta World Dictionary gives as it's second option: To deny an allegation or contradict a statement without disproving it.

    Backsliders.

    It's not exactly proof though, is it?

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    I sincerely hope that not a cent of students' money is going towards the absurd legal threats being issued by Michael Oliver, the news editor of Salient, the Victoria Universty of Wellington student paper. And even if not, perhaps it’s a good time for a grown-up to drop by the office and see what on earth is going on.

    Is it at least remarkable that the student newspaper is the one issuing proceedings (or threatening them)? I can't recall an instance where student media have sued, only been sued (and I can recall plenty of them).

    Still, I think you're advice is spot on. Someone with a bit of history and sense needs to tell Oliver he's making a dick of himself, regardless of how aggrieved he may feel, and that he should simply stop taking himself so seriously.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    ...including the imprisonment of homosexuals.

    http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Russell's post talked about hitching. In a slight change of thread direction disability activists have
    chained themselves to the gates of the White House to protest at long term disability services and supports not being part of the Obama health plan. That means the bias towards institutional care in the US would remain.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3183 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    Robyn, surely you've asnswered your own question, to be fair. Russell says "They all have their own stories to tell of our early internet". Later internet, far more women's voices.

    We shouldn't not hear from women just because there weren't many online back then.

    In fact, it's because they were a minority that makes their stories interesting to hear.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    What I fear is that if it's always men who are called upon to recount the good old days of the internet in New Zealand, then their version of events will start to become the official story.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Not having been hooked into net culture at it's birth, what were the significant differences by gender in the experience?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I do see your point - much as a panel on child-raising in the 1960s would be enriched by stay-at-home fathers of the time. I just wouldn't expect it to be as easy at short notice to track many down, is all.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19633 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Refute: The Encarta World Dictionary gives as it's second option: To deny an allegation or contradict a statement without disproving it.

    If you can't rely on the people who write dictionaries to be pendants... the world really is ending.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    What Robyn said.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    If you can't rely on the people who write dictionaries to be pendants...

    ... we'll be the ones left hanging?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I just wouldn't expect it to be as easy at short notice to track many down, is all.

    Actually, when Connecting the Clouds came out and Robyn bristled here at the paltry number of women in the Index, weren't quite a few names brought up? I might be getting mixed up with an identical conversation on a US forum.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    Russell's post talked about hitching. In a slight change of thread direction disability activists have
    chained themselves to the gates of the White House to protest at long term disability services and supports not being part of the Obama health plan. That means the bias towards institutional care in the US would remain.

    Good on them!

    And

    What Robyn Said. I would have thought it easy enough to contact say the Waikato University Computer Science Department, and work your way out from there...

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 659 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    i still think 'babe flu' or piglet flu' would sound much nicer

    In Indonesian, it's flu babi. (pron - bahbi) It makes me smile every time I hear it.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    If you can't rely on the people who write dictionaries to be pendants... the world really is ending.

    I know. They probably also give "imply" as a definition of "infer."

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Mrs Skin,

    Not having been hooked into net culture at it's birth, what were the significant differences by gender in the experience?

    Dunno, so let's hear from those who were there.

    ...their version of events will start to become the official story.

    History is the end product of what gets written down/repeated the most, so yeah, that's the likely trajectory.

    the warmest room in the h… • Since Feb 2009 • 168 posts Report Reply

  • Mrs Skin,

    Actually, drawing on my miniscule knowlege of critical feminist theory, I suspect some of the differences might have been around the intended effects/uses to which it might be put. This seems to be a common area of difference in gendered thinking. If those are the right terms.

    the warmest room in the h… • Since Feb 2009 • 168 posts Report Reply

  • John Holley,

    I guess the "20 year" anniversary depends on what you define as the "Internet". For those of us who have being using it for longer, at least in the UUCP/JANET variants we the 20th was long ago. :)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • John Holley,

    Gack....fast fat fingers....

    I guess the "20 year" anniversary depends on what you define as the "Internet". For those of us who have being using it for longer, at least in the UUCP/JANET variants, the 20th was long ago. :)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • Heather W.,

    By the way Russell, B Wileman may not be from Johnsonville - the street address used is a commercial site, a private postbox company - so online companies can appear to have a street address.

    In reference to the birth of net culture in NZ, I worked at DSIR between 1982 and 1992. Most of the techie stuff came from Science and Mathematic units either at Universities or DSIR. Most of the management was male - back then the computer managers all needed to have doctorates and in those days most with Science type doctorates were male. At one stage out of 16 computer sites - one manager was female and one of the operators was male.

    North Shore • Since Nov 2008 • 189 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    You, too, may be thinking that even if the client doesn't know what "refute" means, surely his lawyer would.

    Ouch!

    I have written a few "cease and desist" letters during my legal career, and may once or twice have used the word "refute" when I meant "deny". It seems like almost everyone in the profession does it.

    But if I promise never to use "refute" inappropriately again, can I still play here?

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    They probably also give "imply" as a definition of "infer."

    No 2 option in NZ Oxford, No 3 on Encarta. Now please stop distracting me from my work!

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    What Robyn Said. I would have thought it easy enough to contact say the Waikato University Computer Science Department, and work your way out from there...

    In the hope of finding someone of the desired gender? These things tend to be hard enough to put together as it is. Like I said, we were going for stories to be told: Nat made New Zealand's first web page; DPF was all over the place on Usenet, including as a moderator for regional newsgroups, and was also a key player in the InternetNZ coup; and Colin created the first .govt.nz web pages, as a Ministry of Commerce skunkworks. There are a thousand stories in the city, but those are the ones we have for our 12-14 min panel.

    I know it's not the same thing, but our medical panel in the same show is 100% female.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    __ They probably also give "imply" as a definition of "infer." __

    No 2 option in NZ Oxford, No 3 on Encarta.

    Truly, these are the end times.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • Jan Farr,

    They probably also give "imply" as a definition of "infer."

    No 2 option in NZ Oxford, No 3 on Encarta.

    Truly, these are the end times.

    Your still distracting me!

    Carterton • Since Apr 2008 • 395 posts Report Reply

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