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Hard News: Poll Day 2: Queasy

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  • MxDEJ,

    It’s actually a hard question for even a Cunliffe supporter to answer “yes” to.

    That's not the question's fault. It's David Cunliffe's.

    Auckland • Since Feb 2012 • 24 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to MxDEJ,

    That's not the question's fault. It's David Cunliffe's.

    No, it's the question. "No" could mean a whole range of things. It's a bullshit polling question.

    Compare to the One News question on Collins, where "yes" and "no" have decisive meanings.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22763 posts Report Reply

  • llew40,

    Good post. I get this is an election year and that politics is blood sport, and that news is a highly commercial and brutally competitive business that is under threat from global forces and very dependent on a shrinking business model.

    But I'm also (probably being naive) quite mystified by the growth in the editorialising of the news, and the increase in journalists who want to insert themselves into the narrative as participants (even 'stars') in the political events of the day. Is this really the best way to survive?. And I actually work in the industry (insert a grumpy "it wasn't like that in my day" comment).

    Since Nov 2012 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    Last night got me to the point of "why watch any TV news?" Patrick Gower's variable relationship with journalism and its ethics and increasing undeclared partisanship, added to Paul Henry on Nightline (no rational reason; I just cannot stand the man's delivery). I will stick with John Campbell and some Maori TV and leave the rest. It doesn't do what I want: ie report all the known facts, ask searching questions, and leave me to decide what I think.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to llew40,

    All of that.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Feel free to report to the BSA here, if there’s no subsequent counterbalancing act from Gower:

    http://bsa.govt.nz/complaints/making-a-complaint

    It’ll have to be within 20 days of the broadcast though.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5428 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew Stevenson,

    But last night's effort left me feeling a bt queasy.

    It was really reaching, and not getting there.
    More pieces like that and they'd lose me.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Ianmac,

    Does Paddy frame the questions for the survey? The way that he frames the questions for his interview show that he has pre-determined answers and even if the interviewee should dare to stray from Paddy's expected answer, the he fixes that by putting his interpretation on the answer even if wildly different. eg:Norman/Cunliffe's interviews.
    Spin is expected from politicians but for Reporters to be so self-indulgent is disgraceful.

    Bleneim • Since Aug 2008 • 135 posts Report Reply

  • Ianmac, in reply to Ianmac,

    And Brian Edwards has a piece on Gower and his blatant electioneering for National.
    http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/

    Bleneim • Since Aug 2008 • 135 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    John Armstrong channels the National Party's advice to Labour. Shameless hack.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11229836

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19697 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Hebe,

    Last night got me to the point of "why watch any TV news?"

    I don't watch it regularly, haven't for a very long time. But I can see at least one good reason to - to become informed about how things are being reported on one of the more popular platforms. In other words, if you want to become informed about what the news is about, there's better ways. But if you want to become informed about how the news is being presented, then it's the primary source. You pretty much have to watch it.

    For me, I'm just not that interested in the second purpose. I'm interested in the news itself, not the news reporting, unless that is in itself especially newsworthy. Sometimes it is, and I'll then find the show online and watch it.

    This does mean I'm somewhat separated from the political zeitgeist. A true media junkie has to watch the news, there's no choice.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10647 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    No, it's the question. "No" could mean a whole range of things. It's a bullshit polling question.

    And since we don't directly elect our executive branch of government, what's the point of asking the question at all? Seriously. I'd like to know -- if I dropped my wallet in the street I'd trust both David Cunliffe and John Key to return it without *cough* helping themselves to a finder's fee. Doesn't really signify when it comes to casting either of my votes.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George,

    “Do you personally think Judith Collins should remain a cabinet minister following the Oravida conflict of interest allegations?”

    http://www.colmarbrunton.co.nz/images/140401_ONE_News_Colmar_Brunton_Poll_report_22-26_Mar_2014_prelim.pdf

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sacha,

    John Armstrong channels the National Party’s advice to Labour. Shameless hack.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11229836

    Quick link for your convenience:

    http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complaint_form.php

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5428 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    “Do you personally think Judith Collins should remain a cabinet minister following the Oravida conflict of interest allegations?”

    Since I do not now, never have and never will get to dish out ministerial warrants why does it matter?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    I can see at least one good reason to – to become informed about how things are being reported on one of the more popular platforms.

    As someone involved with politics, watching the news gives me next to no information about actual events. In many cases, if I was to take what I was told as true in the way I was told it, I would be less informed.

    However, as a medium for understanding *why* New Zealanders think the way they do about a given issue, it is indispensable. The gap between reality and perceptions is otherwise murkier.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Feel free to report to the BSA here

    Alternately.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    And I sometimes wonder if Gower being a law unto himself is a side effect of media industry cartelisation. If so, has the ComCom even looked into it?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5428 posts Report Reply

  • leelee, in reply to Russell Brown,

    While its true that it is David Cunliffe's fault that the question got asked, its not his fault that the question was useless. Almost as useless as "should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand".

    Wellington • Since Mar 2014 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    John Drinnan politely opined that Patrick Gower is "sun struck" by John Key. I would remove the s, and add add a "c" and a "t" to less politely suggest Gower is completely c**t struck by Key. Such an emotional attachment to the PM would also explain Gowers other inexplicable grudge against Cunliffe. Gower certainly seems to see himself as a (completely unelected) player in the political game.

    In an age when the moral guideline is ratings, and 24 hour senstionalism framed through rock star "journalists" like Gower is what passes as news and current affairs then people like Gower are powerful, unaccountable and therefore think they are untouchable.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    John Drinnan politely opined that Patrick Gower is "sun struck" by John Key.

    Well, I'd not at all politely opine that Drinnan could more usefully ask when the fuck Bernard Orsman is going to get professional help for his Brown Derangement Syndrome but I guess speaking truth to the power that signs your pay cheque is too much to ask.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Connelly, in reply to Hebe,

    I so very much agree with this.

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2012 • 28 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George,

    "people like Gower are powerful, unaccountable and therefore think they are untouchable."

    Media are a critical (two meanings) part of our democratic system but their increasing power, their increasing use of that power and their virtual unaccountability (especially to voters) is a major concern.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Reid declares "Our quality standards are open to the ultimate scrutiny!" at the top of its political polls page, but could take lessons from Colmar Brunton on transparency.

    The one thing the page does tell us is that the "honesty" question is asked about the National and Labour leaders each time (along with others) but was highlighted for last night's story.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22763 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I would like the percentages for a control question:
    In the light of the Broomwoggle allegations, should Peter Smith remain a minister?

    I'm betting a large portion of those polled would have a view on this.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

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